Dirac Spinor Algebra: Simplifying Expressions

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The discussion revolves around simplifying expressions involving Dirac spinors, specifically terms of the form \(\bar{u}^{s_1}(\boldsymbol{\vec{p}})\gamma^{\mu}{v}^{s_2}(\boldsymbol{\vec{q}})\) and the trace of a product of spinors. Participants explore methods for simplification without summing over spins, considering the implications of different momenta for the spinors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a method to simplify the expression \(\bar{u}^{s_1}(\boldsymbol{\vec{p}})\gamma^{\mu}{v}^{s_2}(\boldsymbol{\vec{q}})\) without breaking down the spinors into components.
  • Another participant suggests using the trace of a matrix formed by the spinors, noting that there is no sum over spins, which complicates the simplification process.
  • One idea proposed is to utilize Fierz identities for simplification.
  • A participant mentions that expressions like \(u^{s}(\boldsymbol{p})\bar{u}^{s}(\boldsymbol{p})\) can be simplified using spin projection matrices, but this approach may not be applicable without a spin sum.
  • There is a clarification that the discussion is focused on a specific value of spin, rather than a sum over all possible spins.
  • One participant expresses doubt about finding a simplification identity, given the different momenta of the spinors involved.
  • Another participant counters that the Fierz identity can still be applied by substituting different momenta for each spinor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the simplification is complicated by the lack of a spin sum and the differing momenta of the spinors. However, there are competing views on the applicability of certain identities, such as the Fierz identities, to the problem at hand.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the simplifications may depend on specific assumptions about the momenta and the nature of the spinors involved, which remain unresolved.

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Hi,

In a calculation I am doing, I encounter terms of the form

[tex]\bar{u}^{s_1}(\boldsymbol{\vec{p}})\gamma^{\mu}{v}^{s_2}(\boldsymbol{\vec{q}})[/tex]

where [itex]u[/itex] and [itex]v[/itex] are the electron and positron spinors. Is there any recipe for simplifying this expression, using the spin sums or other identities? I am unable to figure anything out except if I break u and v into components and consider various cases depending on what [itex]s_1[/itex], [itex]s_2[/itex] and [itex]\mu[/itex] are...which is too tedious.

(I have to compute the product of this with [itex]A_{\mu}(x)[/itex])

Suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

PS -- I am not looking at the amplitude squared, so I probably cannot use the trace methods directly..
 
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Okay, so to be more specific, I am interested in simplifying the quantity

[tex]G^{\mu\nu} = Tr\left[u^{s_1}(\boldsymbol{p}_1)\bar{u}^{s_1}(\boldsymbol{p}_1)\gamma^{\mu}v^{s_2}(\boldsymbol{p}_2)\bar{v}^{s_2}(\boldsymbol{p}_2)\gamma^{\nu}\right][/tex]

There is no sum over the spins (so the spin sum identities won't help). Basically I am taking the trace of a 4x4 matrix (for given [itex]\mu[/itex] and [itex]\nu[/itex]).

Any ideas?
 
An idea (only an idea!) is to use Fierz identities
 
Expressions such as [itex]u^{s}(\boldsymbol{p})\bar{u}^{s}(\boldsymbol{p})[/itex] can be simplified by first doing the spin sum, then applying a spin projection matrix that removes the spin you don't want. For example, in Srednicki's conventions, the result is

[tex]u^{s}(\boldsymbol{p})\bar{u}^{s}(\boldsymbol{p})={1\over2}(1-s\gamma_5\rlap{z}\slash)(-\rlap{p}\slash+m)[/tex]

where [itex]z^\mu[/itex] is the spin-quantization axis. For v-type spinors, the result is the same, except +m becomes -m.
 
but doesn't want to sum over the spins ...
 
This is NOT a sum over spins, this is for a particular value of s (plus or minus one).
 
Thanks for the replies, Tom and Avodyne. Yes, it's not a spin sum..I think I have to leave it as it is (and wait till some part of the calculations actually requires me to sum over all spins :-P). Or if I want, I can split u and v into their components in some basis, and compute the 4x4 matrix 'by hand'. I don't think there is much point to it, so I'm just leaving it as it is.

Avodyne, your idea assumes that the 3-momenta arguments of both spinors are identical, which is not the case in my problem. In fact, an overall delta function ensures that [itex]\boldsymbol{p}_1 = -\boldsymbol{p}_2[/itex] under a very special case. Otherwise, the 3 momenta could be quite unrelated...which is why I'm thinking now that there may probably be no "identity" that I'm seeking. (It's a bit tempting to assume that there's something to simplify just about everything a novice can possibly encounter in QFT ;-)).

Tom, I'll have a look at the Fierz identity too.
 
maverick280857 said:
Avodyne, your idea assumes that the 3-momenta arguments of both spinors are identical
No, it doesn't. You take your expression for [itex]G^{\mu\nu}[/itex], and substitute my expression in two places (with different momenta in each place, and with m->-m where you have v's instead of u's).
 
Avodyne said:
No, it doesn't. You take your expression for [itex]G^{\mu\nu}[/itex], and substitute my expression in two places (with different momenta in each place, and with m->-m where you have v's instead of u's).

Ah, neat. That's because I'm interested in [itex]G^{\mu\nu}[/itex] and not the expression I wrote in my first post. Nice.
 

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