Dirac and Majorana spinors for neutrinos

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The discussion focuses on the representations of neutrinos using Dirac and Majorana spinors, exploring the implications of these descriptions in terms of particle and antiparticle states. Participants raise questions about the notation and relationships between different spinor components, as well as the interpretation of the Majorana condition.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the Dirac spinor as a combination of left-chiral and right-chiral components, questioning if specific notations for neutrinos can be used.
  • Another participant asserts that both left-chiral and right-chiral spinors are actually 4-component spinors, challenging the initial claim about their structure.
  • Questions are raised about the distinction between antiparticle notation and charge conjugate notation, indicating confusion over the terms used.
  • A suggestion is made to refer to a specific text for a detailed explanation of Weyl, Dirac, and Majorana fields.
  • Clarifications are provided regarding the independence of solutions in the Dirac equation and the implications for the representation of neutrinos.

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Participants express differing views on the structure of Dirac and Majorana spinors, with no consensus reached on the correct interpretation of the notation and relationships between components.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and assumptions related to particle and antiparticle states, as well as the mathematical implications of pairing solutions in the context of the Dirac equation.

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Dirac description
If I well understood a Dirac description for fermions is :
##\Psi_{D}=\Psi_{L}+\Psi_{R}## where ##\Psi_{L}## is the left-chiral spinor and ##\Psi_{R}## the right-chiral spinor.
Each spinor, ##\Psi_{L} ## and ##\Psi_{R}## has 2 components cotrresponding to the particle and antiparticle :
Q1 : Can we write ##\Psi_{L}=(\nu_{L},\bar{\nu}_{R}) ##? and ##\Psi_{R}=(\nu_{R},\bar{\nu}_{L})## ?

Majorana description
The Majorana condition is ##\Psi_{L}=\Psi_{L}^{c}## and ##\Psi_{R}=\Psi_{R}^{c}##.
Q2: is it right ?
If yes, ##\Psi_{M}=\Psi_{L}+\Psi_{R}## can be written as ##\Psi_{M}=\Psi_{L}+\Psi_{R}^{c}=\Psi_{L}+(\Psi_{L})^{c}##
with ##\Psi_{L}=(\nu_{L},\bar{\nu}_{R}) ## and ##(\Psi_{L})^{c}=((\nu_{L})^{c},(\bar{\nu}_{R})^{c}) =(\nu_{R}^{c},\bar{\nu}_{L}^{c})=(\nu_{R},\bar{\nu}_{L})##
So the Majorana field describes the 4 states of the neutrino (##\nu_{L},\bar{\nu}_{R},\nu_{R},\bar{\nu}_{L}##)
Q3: In such notation what is the difference between ##\nu_{L}^{c}## and ##\bar{\nu}_{L} ## ? Majorana condition ##\nu_{L}^{c} = \nu_{L}## can be also written as : ##\bar{\nu}_{L} = \nu_{L}## ?

I realize I am lost between antiparticle notation ##\bar{\nu}## and charge conjugate ##\nu^{c}##
Can you help me ?
 
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Your questions cannot be answered without careful explanation of the notation. Are you using a particular text?

I recommend Srednicki's text (draft version available free from his web page) for a detailed explanation of Weyl, Dirac, and Majorana fields.
 
Thank you, this text is very useful.
But I am still not sure to understand the difference between the fields component and the particle.
For example for the Dirac field where ##\Psi_{D}=\Psi_{L}+\Psi_{R}##, the four components of the field ##\Psi_{D}## are ##\nu_{L},\bar{\nu}_{R},\nu_{R},\bar{\nu}_{L}## or is it something completely different ?
Thank you...
 
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Dirac description
If I well understood a Dirac description for fermions is :
##\Psi_{D}=\Psi_{L}+\Psi_{R}## where ##\Psi_{L}## is the left-chiral spinor and ##\Psi_{R}## the right-chiral spinor.
Each spinor, ##\Psi_{L} ## and ##\Psi_{R}## has 2 components
No, \Psi_{L} and \Psi_{R} are 4-component spinors just like \Psi_{D}. Why don’t you work it out yourself? In Dirac representation, you have \gamma_{5} = \left( \begin{array}{cc} 0_{2 \times 2} & I_{2 \times 2} \\ I_{2 \times 2} & 0_{2 \times 2} \end{array} \right) . So, if you write \Psi_{D} = \left( \chi , \phi \right)^{T}, with \chi = \left( \psi_{1} , \psi_{2} \right)^{T} and \phi = \left( \psi_{3} , \psi_{4} \right)^{T}, you find \Psi_{L} = \frac{1}{2} \left( \begin{array}{c} \chi - \phi \\ \phi - \chi \end{array} \right) , \ \ \ \Psi_{R} = \frac{1}{2} \left( \begin{array}{c} \chi + \phi \\ \phi + \chi \end{array} \right) .
corresponding to the particle and antiparticle
Wrong again, Dirac equation has 4 independent solutions, each (massive) solution is given by 4-component spinor. Two of these solutions (spin up: u^{(1)} (p) & spin down: u^{(2)} (p)) represent a (massive) fermion and the other two solutions ( v^{( 1 , 2 )} (p) ) describe the corresponding anti-fermion. The same is true for massless fermions except that the Dirac equation splits into two decoupled equations for the 2-component spinors \chi and \phi : E \chi = - ( \sigma \cdot p ) \chi , E \phi = ( \sigma \cdot p ) \phi . Each one of these equations has 2 independent solutions: one (2-spinor) for E = | p | ( \nu_{L}, if you like), and the other 2-spinor solution is for E = - | p | ( i.e., \bar{\nu}_{R} ) . So, when we say that \chi describes \nu_{L} and \bar{\nu}_{R}, this DOSE NOT mean that \nu_{L} is the first component of \chi and \bar{\nu}_{R} is the second component. No, \nu_{L} and \bar{\nu}_{R} are 2 independent solutions of the SAME equation and each (massless particle) is described by 2-component spinor. Indeed, in the Weyl (chiral) representation, you find \Psi_{L} = ( \chi , 0 )^{T} and \Psi_{R} = ( 0 , \phi )^{T}.
Q1 : Can we write ##\Psi_{L}=(\nu_{L},\bar{\nu}_{R}) ##? and ##\Psi_{R}=(\nu_{R},\bar{\nu}_{L})## ?
What does it mean to pair together 2 independent solutions of the same equation? Is \Psi_{D} ( p ) = \left( u ( p ) , v ( p ) \right)? Does the object ( e^{-} , e^{+} ) make any mathematical sense? No, \Psi_{D} = u^{(1)} , u^{(2)} , v^{(1)} , v^{(2)}, these are four independent 4-component spinors solutions of the Dirac equation.

Sam
 

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