A Dirac's integral for the energy-momentum of the gravitational field

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Dirac integrates his pseudo-tensor for the energy-momentum of the gravitational field over a sufficiently large 4-volume to demonstrate (subject to some conditions) that total energy-momentum is conserved. But his expression has an integral of the mixed tensor ##T_\mu^\nu## that cannot be converted to the usual contravariant ##T^{\mu\nu}## without passing the metric tensor through the integral, which cannot be done in curved space.
See Dirac's brief treatment of the energy-momentum pseudo-tensor in the attached picture. Dirac is presumably integrating eq. (31.2) over the 4D "hypercylinder" defined by ##T_1 \le x^0 \le T_2## and ##\mathbf{|x|} \le R##, where ##R## is sufficiently large to include all the matter-energy fields in the system. Then
\begin{align}
0 &= \int_V \left[ ({t_\mu}^\nu + T_\mu^\nu)\sqrt{-g}\, \right]_{,\nu} d^4 x = \int_{\partial V} ({t_\mu}^\nu + T_\mu^\nu)\sqrt{-g} \, dS_\nu \nonumber\\
&= \left( \int_{\mathbf{|x|} \le R, \, x^0=T_2} - \int_{\mathbf{|x|} \le R, \, x^0=T_1} \right) ({t_\mu}^0 + T_\mu^0)\sqrt{-g}\, dx^1 dx^2 dx^3 + \int_{\mathbf{|x|} = R, \, T_1 \le x^0 \le T_2} {t_\mu}^\nu \sqrt{-g} \, dS_\nu \nonumber\\
\end{align} Subject to the assumption that the integrals converge and that the flux integral vanishes as ##R\rightarrow\infty##, Dirac deduces that
$$\lim_{R\rightarrow\infty} \int_{\mathbf{|x|} \le R} ({t_\mu}^\nu + T_\mu^\nu )\sqrt{-g} \, dx^1 dx^2 dx^3$$ is conserved, and gives the total energy-momentum of the system.

The problem I have is that he's got the mixed tensor ##T_\mu^0## and mixed pseudo-tensor ##t_\mu^0##. In flat spacetime (with rectilinear coordinates), the (inverse) metric ##g^{\mu\nu}## is constant and can be moved through the integrals. But in curved spacetime, ##T^{\mu 0}## is the energy-momentum, not ##T_\mu^0##, and $$T^{\mu 0} = g^{\mu\alpha} T_\alpha^0 \,\, .$$ Likewise,
$$t^{\mu\nu} + T^{\mu\nu} = g^{\mu\alpha} ({t_\alpha}^\nu + T_\alpha^\nu) \,\, .$$ If ##g^{\mu\alpha}(x)## varies throughout space, then it cannot pass through the integrals. So how does Dirac justify saying "We thus have definite expressions for the total energy and momentum, which are conserved"?

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Kostik said:
Dirac is presumably integrating eq. (31.2) over the 4D "hypercylinder"
Where are you getting that from? All I see in his (31.4) is integrating over a 3-volume. A conserved "total energy" over a 4-volume wouldn't make sense anyway; the whole point of "conserved" is "doesn't change with time", which means time can't be part of the integral you do to get the "conserved" quantity.
 
PeterDonis said:
Where are you getting that from? All I see in his (31.4) is integrating over a 3-volume. A conserved "total energy" over a 4-volume wouldn't make sense anyway; the whole point of "conserved" is "doesn't change with time", which means time can't be part of the integral you do to get the "conserved" quantity.
I think it's pretty clear from his comment "The equation (31.2) then shows that the integral (31.4) taken at one time ##x^0=a## equals its value at another time ##x^0=b##." Please look at my post, you will see the same 3D integral appear.
 
Kostik said:
I think it's pretty clear from his comment "The equation (31.2) then shows that the integral (31.4) taken at one time ##x^0=a## equals its value at another time ##x^0=b##."
What's clear to me from that comment is that the integral (31.4) is taken over a 3-volume at a particular time, not over a 4-D hypercylinder. Otherwise it would make no sense to say that the value of the integral (31.4) at two different times is the same.
 
PeterDonis said:
What's clear to me from that comment is that the integral (31.4) is taken over a 3-volume at a particular time, not over a 4-D hypercylinder.
You are confusing the 3D integral of the pseudo tensor with ##\nu = 0## with the 4D integral of (31.2).
 
Kostik said:
Please look at my post, you will see the same 3D integral appear.
I know. Now please look at my post, where I asked about a specific statement you made about an integral over a 4-D hypercylinder. That's the statement I'm questioning.
 
Kostik said:
You are confusing the 3D integral of the pseudo tensor with ##\nu = 0## with the 4D integral of (31.2).
(31.2) is not an integral. It's a differential equation.
 
PeterDonis said:
(31.2) is not an integral. It's a differential equation.
You integrate both sides of (31.2).
 
Kostik said:
You integrate both sides of (31.2).
Where does Dirac do that over a 4-D hypercylinder? Nowhere that I can see.
 
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PeterDonis said:
Where does Dirac do that? Nowhere that I can see.
It is implied in the sentence I quoted. I did the work in my post above. Dirac doesn't fill in every step. Please just kindly read the original post and all should be clear.
 
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Kostik said:
Dirac doesn't fill in every step.
That's certainly true of Dirac, not just here but in general. And reading the text following (31.4), his assumptions (a) and (b) do correspond to the assumptions you describe in your OP. I agree that the equations in your OP that derive Dirac's (31.4) look valid if those assumptions (which, as Dirac points out, are often not satisfied in actual cases) are true.
 
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@PeterDonis I would appreciate your comments if any on how to deal with the index positions, to get a contravariant quantity which can justify Dirac's interpretation of the integral as being "the total energy and momentum".
 
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Kostik said:
I would appreciate your comments if any on how to deal with the index positions
I was just about to hit "Post reply" when I saw this. See below.

Kostik said:
in curved spacetime, ##T^{\mu 0}## is the energy-momentum
This might be one of those cases where Dirac's habit of implicitly picking a particular class of coordinate charts instead of writing everything in invariant form makes things difficult. Let me try to rewrite things in invariant form.

First, there is no such thing as "the energy-momentum" without some kind of qualification. The qualification Dirac is implicitly using is that the coordinate chart he's implicitly picking is adapted to a particular class of observers, whose worldlines are the "time" gridlines of the chart. Thus their 4-velocities are parallel to the coordinate basis vector ##\partial_0##, so we can write them as ##u^\mu = (k, 0, 0, 0)##, where ##k## is a coefficient that can vary from event to event. The reason ##k## has to vary is that ##u^a## has to be a unit vector, so we must have ##g_{\mu \nu} u^\mu u^\nu = 1## (using the timelike convention that Dirac appears to prefer), which means ##k = 1 / \sqrt{g_{00}}##.

Now, what is the (non-gravitational) energy-momentum density measured by those observers? In covector form, it will be ##E_\mu = T_{\mu \nu} u^\nu##; that is the most "basic" form, not involving the metric tensor explicitly. Note that this has to be the most "basic" form, because the energy density measured by the observers with 4-velocity ##u^\mu## is ##E = T_{\mu \nu} u^\mu u^\nu##. In other words, the (0, 2) tensor ##T_{\mu \nu}## is the most "basic" form of the stress-energy tensor, because it contracts with two vectors (without requiring the metric tensor to be included explicitly in the contraction) to form scalars that give the energy density, momentum flux, pressure, shear stress, etc. that are actually measured by particular observers (and along particular spatial directions which are embodied by spacelike unit vectors carried along in a tetrad by the observers).

So the statement by you that is quoted above is not correct as you state it. The covector ##E_\mu## that I wrote down above is the form of "energy momentum" adapted to particular observers that doesn't involve the metric tensor explicitly in its invariant expression. But in our chosen coordinate chart, that covector becomes ##E_\mu = T_{\mu 0} / \sqrt{g_{00}}##. Note that a metric coefficient now appears there--but it comes from the 4-velocity ##u^\mu## and its normalization, not from ##T_{\mu \nu}##. In Dirac's notation, which uses ##Y## instead of ##T## for the non-gravitational stress-energy, this would be ##E_\mu = Y_{\mu 0} / \sqrt{g_{00}}##.

Note that this expression already has the ##\mu## index as a lower index, which is where we want it for Dirac's (31.4). We just need to raise the ##0## index; we would do that by multiplying by ##g^{00}##. I think that by taking into account the particular choice of coordinate chart that we're using, we can end up with ##Y_\mu{}^0 \sqrt{-g}##, which is what we need. (I realize this part is hand-waving; I would need to take some more time to work through the details of an invariant version to verify that it simplifies the way we want.)

The point is that all of this would be done before doing any integral; we just need to justify using ##Y_\mu{}^0 \sqrt{-g}## as our expression for the "density of non-gravitational energy momentum seen by observers at rest in our chosen coordinate chart". Once we've justified that, we just use that as our integrand and there's no need to pass the metric or inverse metric through the integral, everything inside the integral is already the way we want it.
 
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@PeterDonis That's probably a little over my head. Yes, I agree it makes sense to deal with ##({t_\mu}^0 + T_\mu^0)\sqrt{-g}\,## prior to integrating, since there's no way to pass the metric through the integral.

I guess I have to wonder, if ##T^{\mu 0}## is the energy and momentum density (obviously coordinate/observer dependent), what exactly is ##T_\mu^0##? Even in flat space, if you choose non-rectilinear coordinates (for example, polar coordinates), the metric will not be constant, so ##T_\mu^0 = g_{\mu\alpha}T^{\alpha 0}## is a very different "thing" than the energy and momentum density.

Dirac must be right in saying that "We thus have [in the integral (31.4)] definite expressions for the total energy and momentum", because the integral (subject to the various provisos) IS conserved, and -- except for the index positions -- it looks an awful lot like the energy-momentum tensor.

I somehow suspect the issue I have raised isn't really that deep. After all, there are other energy-momentum pseudo-tensors, like the Landau-Lifshitz pseudo-tensor ##t^{\mu\nu}_{LL}## which satisfy the same equation (31.2) but with all contravariant indices, so the entire question I am asking simply doesn't arise.
 
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Kostik said:
if ##T^{\mu 0}## is the energy and momentum density
It isn't. I explained what is in my previous post.

Kostik said:
Dirac must be right in saying that "We thus have [in the integral (31.4)] definite expressions for the total energy and momentum", because the integral (subject to the various provisos) IS conserved, and -- except for the index positions -- it looks an awful lot like the energy-momentum tensor.
It's a pseudotensor, not a tensor (because ##t## is a pseudotensor, not a tensor), so it only describes "total energy and momentum" in a coordinate-dependent sense. Which, according to most GR textbooks, means it isn't physically meaningful. Dirac tries to extract a limited physical meaning for it; whether that viewpoint is valid is a matter on which physicists in the field differ. But in any case, since the integral is only valid when his conditions (a) and (b) are true, and as he admits, they aren't true in most practical cases, the usefulness of what he's doing is definitely limited.

Kostik said:
I somehow suspect the issue I have raised isn't really that deep.
That depends on how seriously you take what I said in my previous post about what actually is the energy and momentum density. Some physicists pay more attention than others to actual index positions and whether you need to bring in the metric or its inverse to get an expression whose indexes are where you want them. Dirac is probably near the "don't really care" end of that spectrum.
 
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@PeterDonis I'm still struggling with this. Perhaps I should have phrased the question a more direct way:

(1) If ##({M_\mu}^\nu)_{,\nu}=0##, does it follow that ##(M^{\mu\nu})_{,\nu}=0 \,\,?##

(2) If $$\int {M_\mu}^0 \, dx^1 dx^2 dx^3$$ is conserved, does it follow that $$\int M^{\mu 0} \, dx^1 dx^2 dx^3$$ is conserved?

(No need to assume that ##{M_\mu}^\nu## is a tensor.) The answer to (1) is clearly no. If the answer to (2) is also no, which I suspect, then I question Dirac's statement "We thus have [in the integral (31.4)] definite expressions for the total energy and momentum".

This whole issue goes away by using the L-L pseudotensor, which satisfies $$\left[ -g(t^{\mu\nu}_{LL} + T^{\mu\nu}) \right]_{,\nu}=0 \,\, ,$$ and is symmetric. I wonder why Dirac did not base his chapters 32-33 on this pseudotensor, since it was discovered and published in the first edition of The Classical Theory of Fields in 1951, long before Dirac's book in 1975.
 
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Kostik said:
(1) If ##({M_\mu}^\nu)_{,\nu}=0##, does it follow that ##(M^{\mu\nu})_{,\nu}=0 \,\,?##
Well, let's see.

$$
M^{\mu \nu} = g^{\mu \alpha} M_\alpha{}^\nu
$$

Therefore,

$$
M^{\mu \nu}_{,\nu} = \left( g^{\mu \alpha} M_\alpha{}^\nu \right)_{,\nu}
$$

which gives

$$
M^{\mu \nu}_{,\nu} = g^{\mu \alpha} \left( M_\alpha{}^\nu{}_{,\nu} \right) + M_\alpha{}^\nu \left( g^{\mu \alpha}{}_{,\nu} \right)
$$
The first term vanishes by hypothesis, but the second doesn't. So I think the answer to your question is no. And you agree with this later in your post.

Note that if we were taking covariant derivatives instead of partial derivatives (i.e., semicolons instead of commas), then the answer to (the analogue to) your question would be yes, since the metric is covariantly constant.

Kostik said:
(2) If $$\int {M_\mu}^0 \, dx^1 dx^2 dx^3$$ is conserved, does it follow that $$\int M^{\mu 0} \, dx^1 dx^2 dx^3$$ is conserved?
I would say no because raising the index under the integral sign would introduce a factor of the inverse metric that would change the value of the integral.

Kostik said:
I question Dirac's statement "We thus have [in the integral (31.4)] definite expressions for the total energy and momentum".
That's because you keep persisting in thinking of ##T^{\mu \nu}## with two upper indexes as the density of stress-energy, even though I've told you more than once now that that's wrong, and explained why.
 
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Yes, I am thinking of the contravariant ##T^{\mu 0}## as the energy and momentum. If you lower one of the indices with the metric, you may well change the units, since the various components of the metric may have different units (depending upon the coordinate system). Consider for example the energy momentum tensor of a dust ##T^{\mu\nu}=\rho v^\mu v^\nu## or a perfect fluid ##T^{\mu\nu} = (E+p)v^\mu v^\nu - pg^{\mu\nu}##. I don't see how you can lower an index with the metric (in curved spacetime) willy-nilly, and say that the physical interpretation remains the same.

Sorry if I have not grasped your explanations.
 
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Kostik said:
This whole issue goes away by using the L-L pseudotensor
Only if you think ##T^{\mu \nu}## represents what I've said it doesn't represent, and explained why.

I can't remember if L-L use the same restricted class of coordinate charts that Dirac does.

Kostik said:
and is symmetric.
##T_{\mu \nu}## with two lower indexes, which is what I have said is the correct expression for the density of stress-energy, and explained why, is also symmetric. So there is no reason on these grounds to prefer the form with two upper indexes.
 
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Kostik said:
Yes, I am thinking of the contravariant ##T^{\mu 0}## as the energy and momentum.
I know you are. And you have not responded at all to my argument in post #13 for why that is not correct--why ##T_{\mu \nu}##, with two lower indexes, is physically the correct expression for the density of stress-energy, the expression that does not intrinsically involve any factors of the metric tensor.
 
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Kostik said:
I don't see how you can lower an index with the metric (in curved spacetime) willy-nilly, and say that the physical interpretation remains the same.
You can't--at least, not if you're going to take the viewpoint of Dirac (and L-L, for that matter) that it's perfectly okay to write curved spacetime equations using partial derivatives instead of covariant derivatives. In other textbooks, such as MTW, that viewpoint is not taken--everything in curved spacetime is done with covariant derivatives and covariant volume elements in integrals, so the issue doesn't arise; you can always raise or lower indexes as you please and the equations remain physically the same.

But you're not taking that viewpoint here. And if you don't, you can't just assert without argument that ##T^{\mu \nu}## is the density of stress-energy. You have to give a physical reason why that form is the one that intrinsically involves no factors of the metric. I've given such a reason for ##T_{\mu \nu}##, the (0, 2) tensor, in post #13. Please read it.
 
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PeterDonis said:
##T_{\mu \nu}## with two lower indexes, which is what I have said is the correct expression for the density of stress-energy, and explained why, is also symmetric. So there is no reason on these grounds to prefer the form with two upper indexes.
I meant the Landau-Lifshitz pseudotensor is symmetric, while the Dirac-Einstein pseudotensor is not. I wasn't referring to the energy-meomentum tensor of the matter-energy fields -- which is symmetric.
 
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Kostik said:
I meant the Landau-Lifshitz pseudotensor is symmetric
As far as I know, the same would be true if we lowered both indexes, so again, this is not a reason to prefer the form with two upper indexes.
 
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PeterDonis said:
As far as I know, the same would be true if we lowered both indexes, so again, this is not a reason to prefer the form with two upper indexes.
The Dirac-Einstein pseudotensor is definitely not symmetric (with the indices in any position). So this seems a good reason to prefer the LL pseudotensor.
 
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Kostik said:
The Dirac-Einstein pseudotensor is definitely not symmetric (with the indices in any position). So this seems a good reason to prefer the LL pseudotensor.
You're missing the point. I wasn't saying there was no reason to prefer the L-L pseudotensor to the Dirac pseudotensor; I think that's a matter of opinion. I was saying that "it's symmetric" is not a reason to prefer the L-L (2, 0) pseudotensor to the L-L (0, 2) pseudotensor.
 
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The conservation law ##{M^{\mu\nu}}_{,\nu} = 0## requires that ##\nu## be in a contravariant position.
 
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Kostik said:
The conservation law ##{M^{\mu\nu}}_{,\nu} = 0## requires that ##\nu## be in a contravariant position.
That's true, but it doesn't show that ##M^{\mu \nu}## itself is the intrinsically natural form of that tensor (i.e., the form that intrinsically doesn't involve any factors of the metric). It might just mean that you have to raise one or both indexes on the intrinsically natural form of the tensor (and therefore introduce factors of the metric, which can change the equation's physical meaning) to use that equation.

Again, if you take a viewpoint such as that of MTW, where you write everything in terms of covariant derivatives instead of partial derivatives, this isn't an issue, because you can always raise or lower indexes in tensor equations without changing their physical meaning. But Dirac (and L-L) insist on writing equations using partial derivatives, and then index position is an issue, and what I said above applies.
 
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The energy momentum tensor in contravariant form is constructed in a straightforward way for a dust, perfect fluid, etc. See for example Schutz.

Let’s consider a simpler example. The ##x^k## momentum contained in a volume is $$\int mv^k \, dV$$ where ##v^\mu## is the 4-momentum. In flat space, we can go back and forth between ##v^k## and ##v_k## because they only differ by a minus sign. But in curved space, they differ by a metric with spatial dependence. So $$\int mv_k \, dV$$ does not give the momentum contained in the volume, and doesn’t even seem to be related to it.
 
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Kostik said:
The energy momentum tensor in contravariant form is constructed in a straightforward way for a dust, perfect fluid, etc. See for example Schutz.
Schutz is taking a different viewpoint from the one I described in post #13. I really wish you'd actually read that post and respond to what I said there, which is taking the viewpoint taken, for example, in MTW. I generally don't find Schutz to be as good a textbook as MTW because Schutz glosses over a lot of things that MTW go into in detail; this is one of the cases where I think that matters.

To give a brief example: Schutz says the energy density of dust is ##T^{\alpha \beta} = \rho U^\alpha U^\beta##. So the two indexes are upper indexes because it's just a dyad of the 4-velocity.

But now put in pressure. Here is how MTW write the perfect fluid stress-energy tensor when pressure is nonzero: ##T_{\mu \nu} = \left( \rho + p \right) u_\mu u_\nu + p g_{\mu \nu}##.

See the problem? The second term uses the metric tensor, which is a (0, 2) tensor. Schutz writes it using the inverse metric, with upper indexes. But the inverse metric is not the same as the metric--at least, not if you're taking the Dirac or L-L viewpoint and trying to write everything in terms of partial derivatives instead of covariant derivatives. (If you take the latter viewpoint, as I've already said in an earlier post, index position doesn't matter--the metric is covariantly constant, so you can always move it inside or outside of covariant derivatives, or raise and lower indexes with it in equations involving covariant derivatives or integrals over a covariant volume element, without affecting the physical meaning.) Schutz never discusses this point.

Kostik said:
The ##x^k## momentum contained in a volume
Is an abstraction. Nobody measures the integral you wrote down.

What observers measure are scalars, so ultimately the physical meaning of any equation needs to bottom out in measured scalars, and those scalars need to include information about the observer that's measuring them, such as that observer's 4-velocity and the spatial orthonormal vectors the observer carries around with them. That's the viewpoint I described in post #13, and which is taken in, for example, MTW.

To give just one brief example: on this viewpoint, "momentum" is not a vector--it's a covector. (MTW describe it in terms of surfaces of constant phase of plane waves.) In other words, it's a linear map from vectors to numbers. More precisely, it's a simplification of the momentum flux, which is obtained by contracting the stress-energy tensor with two 4-vectors, one describing the 4-velocity of the observer measuring the momentum flux, the other describing the spatial direction in which the flux is measured. The "momentum measured by a given observer" is what you get when you only do a partial contraction of the stress-energy tensor with the observer's 4-velocity.
 
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Something else bothers me here, unrelated to the discussion above. Dirac says on p. 62:

"It is not possible to obtain an expression for the energy of the gravitational field satisfying both the conditions: (i) when added to other forms of energy the total energy is conserved, and (ii) the energy within a definite (three-dimensional) region at a certain time is independent of the coordinate system."

Isn't the impossibility of (ii) obvious in general? A simple change of coordinates given by a Lorentz transformation (boost) will change the amount of energy within a particular volume at a particular time. Energy and momentum are obviously observer-dependent.

I think he meant to say in (ii) that it is not possible to obtain an expression which is tensorial. Am I correct?

Further, in the paragraph below (31.4), he says

"Furthermore, the integral must be independent of the coordinate system, since we could change the coordinates at ##x^0=b## without changing them at ##x^0=a##."

Here again, I don't understand him. Of course, the integral is coordinate dependent, since energy and momentum depend upon the observer. I think his argument shows that the integral is conserved in a particular coordinate system, which is all one can ask of energy and momentum! What is he trying to say here?
 
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Kostik said:
Isn't the impossibility of (ii) obvious in general?
It's certainly obvious to me, and it seems like it was obvious to MTW when they wrote their textbook. :wink:

Kostik said:
I think he meant to say in (ii) that it is not possible to obtain an expression which is tensorial.
With Dirac it's often hard to tell what he means in a rigorous sense. :wink: But yes, the more rigorous way to state his (ii) would be that it is impossible to find a tensor that describes the energy-momentum of the gravitational field. MTW state it that way.
 
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Kostik said:
Here again, I don't understand him.
I think what he's trying to say is that, within certain limits (basically staying within the special class of coordinate charts he's using), you can make a coordinate transformation that changes which spacelike boundary surface you use to bound your 4D hypercylinder at one end (by changing which surface is a surface of constant ##x^0## at that end), without changing that at the other end, and still have the integral be unchanged, as long as his conditions (a) and (b) are still met.

He might be trying to get at something which is similar to the coordinate independence of the ADM mass in asymptotically flat spacetimes, which is also limited to a particular class of charts (the ones that are asymptotically Minkowski). But of course the ADM mass doesn't include "energy-momentum of the gravitational field".
 
  • #33
PeterDonis said:
But you're not taking that viewpoint here. And if you don't, you can't just assert without argument that ##T^{\mu \nu}## is the density of stress-energy. You have to give a physical reason why that form is the one that intrinsically involves no factors of the metric. I've given such a reason for ##T_{\mu \nu}##, the (0, 2) tensor, in post #13. Please read it.
Apologies, I will try to dig in and understand this better. My GR knowledge is based on reading Dirac, Landau-Lifshitz Vol. 2, Weinberg, and Ohanian-Ruffini. So, I have never seen it the "abstract" way.
 
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Kostik said:
I have never seen it the "abstract" way.
MTW is a heavy lift (both figuratively and literally--it's the heaviest textbook by poundage that I've ever owned :wink:), but it is of course the classic exposition of the viewpoint I've described.

Wald takes an even more abstract viewpoint, but his abstract index notation can be helpful in clarifying the kinds of issues we've been discussing. His approach is also more inclined to mathematical rigor, giving more details about things that MTW gloss over or omit.
 
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PeterDonis said:
I think what he's trying to say is that, within certain limits (basically staying within the special class of coordinate charts he's using), you can make a coordinate transformation that changes which spacelike boundary surface you use to bound your 4D hypercylinder at one end (by changing which surface is a surface of constant ##x^0## at that end), without changing that at the other end, and still have the integral be unchanged, as long as his conditions (a) and (b) are still met.
You mean, consider a coordinate change that moves the "front" surface of the hypercylinder from ##t = a## to some other value, leaving the rear surface at ##t = b##? Well, yes, I suppose we could cook up such a "stretching" coordinate transformation, but I'm not sure that the integral remains unchanged. The integral is time-independent (conserved) in any specific coordinate system, but if you change coordinate systems, I don't see why it should be conserved. Again, the obvious example is a simple Lorentz boost, where of course energy (and momentum) will be different.

I just do not see how Dirac could have said "Furthermore, the integral must be independent of the coordinate system, since we could change the coordinates at ##x^0=b## without changing them at ##x^0=a##." He cannot have meant to say that.

By his condition (ii), "the energy within a definite (three-dimensional) region at a certain time is independent of the coordinate system", I assume he meant that the energy and momentum of the gravitational field cannot be expressed by any tensor (and therefore it cannot appear in any tensor equation).

But the later comment, "Furthermore, the integral must be independent of the coordinate system, since we could change the coordinates at ##x^0=b## without changing them at ##x^0=a##" just makes absolutely no sense to me, and I cannot understand why he said this.
 
  • #36
Kostik said:
consider a coordinate change that moves the "front" surface of the hypercylinder
Actually, on thinking this over, I don't think that's what he meant. I think he meant a coordinate change that leaves the hypercylinder the same, but changes the coordinate labels on one end but not the other.

Note that such a change, to leave the integral invariant, couldn't be something simple like a Lorentz boost. It would have to be a change that only affected a finite region in the immediate vicinity of one end of the hypercylinder. So it would be more like shifting the coordinate "grid lines" a little at that end of the hypercylinder, but keeping them the same everywhere else.
 
  • #37
@Kostic As for your question the explanation of L-L :
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seems a good complementary to Dirac.
 
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@anuttarasammyak Very helpful, thanks. I should have looked there, because Dirac's book takes a lot from LL. In my copy of LL, this discussion is on pp 283-284. Anyway, I will give it a careful read.
 
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@anuttarasammyak Excellent! This was hugely helpful. I wish Dirac had been a little less cryptic. It's not often that one consults Landau & Lifshitz for a less terse explanation!
 
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