Direct Product vs Tensor Product

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The discussion clarifies the distinction between direct products and tensor products in the context of (2,0) tensors in general relativity. A (2,0) tensor cannot be expressed as a direct product of two vectors due to its higher degrees of freedom; specifically, in four dimensions, a (2,0) tensor has 16 degrees of freedom, while the tensor product of two vectors only has 8. Therefore, a general (2,0) tensor requires a linear combination of multiple direct products to be accurately represented. References to Cohen Tanoudji's quantum mechanics textbook and Sean Carroll's notes provide additional context and resources for understanding these concepts.

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  • Understanding of tensor notation and types, specifically (2,0) tensors
  • Familiarity with vector spaces and their properties
  • Basic knowledge of general relativity concepts
  • Awareness of linear algebra principles, particularly linear combinations
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  • Study the differences between direct products and tensor products in linear algebra
  • Read Cohen Tanoudji's "Quantum Mechanics" for insights on vector products
  • Explore Sean Carroll's notes on general relativity for a deeper understanding of tensors
  • Investigate the implications of degrees of freedom in tensor analysis
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This discussion is beneficial for physics students, mathematicians, and researchers in general relativity or quantum mechanics who seek to deepen their understanding of tensor products and their applications.

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Hi,

I am working through a textbook on general relativity and have come across the statement:

"A general (2 0) tensor K, in n dimensions, cannot be written as a direct product of two vectors, A and B, but can be expressed as a sum of many direct products."

Can someone explain to me how this is the case? Am I right in thinking that a (2 0) tensor is the tensor product of two vectors, so how then is the direct product of two vectors different to the tensor product?

Thanks!
 
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dman12 said:
Am I right in thinking that a (2 0) tensor is the tensor product of two vectors...?

I say that is not correct,

Take a look at quantum mechanic of Cohen Tanoudji page 155.
 
A direct product of two vectors would mean ##A^i B^j##. A tensor product of two vectors would mean the same thing to me (unless you want to consider the inner product ##A^i B_i## as a kind of tensor product as well).

dman12 said:
Am I right in thinking that a (2 0) tensor is the tensor product of two vectors

No, this is not true. In four dimensions, a (2,0) tensor has 16 degrees of freedom, while the tensor product of two vectors has only 8. Therefore it is not possible that all (2,0) tensors can be represented as the tensor product of two vectors.
 
bcrowell said:
No, this is not true. In four dimensions, a (2,0) tensor has 16 degrees of freedom, while the tensor product of two vectors has only 8. Therefore it is not possible that all (2,0) tensors can be represented as the tensor product of two vectors.
And therefore you need a linear combination of such direct products to build up a general (2,0) tensor. I find Carroll's notes (http://preposterousuniverse.com/grnotes/grnotes-one.pdf ) quite helpful for the subject.
 
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