Directional and partial derivatives help please

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of directional and partial derivatives in the context of a function z=f(x,y). Participants explore the relationship between these derivatives, particularly how they behave at specific angles and the implications of changing direction on the value of the derivative.

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  • One participant describes the definitions of partial derivatives and directional derivatives, noting that directional derivatives can be seen as special cases of partial derivatives at specific angles.
  • Another participant suggests that increasing the angle by 180° changes the direction of traversal along the tangent line, which may lead to confusion regarding the values of the derivatives.
  • A different participant explains that flipping the direction of motion along the tangent line results in a change in the sign of the directional derivative, indicating a switch from increasing to decreasing values of z.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of changing the angle for directional derivatives, particularly regarding whether the tangent line's value should remain unchanged. The discussion does not reach a consensus on this point.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of derivatives at specific angles and the interpretation of directional movement in relation to tangent lines. There are unresolved aspects regarding the implications of these assumptions on the values of the derivatives.

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Directional and partial derivatives help please!

I have read that the partial derivative of a function z=f(x,y) :∂z/∂x, ∂z/∂y at the point (xo,yo,zo)are just the tangent lines at (xo,yo,zo) along the planes y=yo and x=xo. Directional derivatives were explained to be derivatives at a particular direction defined by the unit vector a=cos∅xλ sin∅yλand it is given by Daf(x,y)=
∂z/∂xcos∅ + ∂z/∂ysin∅. Partial derivatives were also said to be special cases of directional derivatives when ∅=0° or 90°.

What confuses me is that if ∅=180° or 270°,the directional derivative equals the negative of the partial derivative. The angle was just increasedby 180 so the tangent line remains at the same plane and i think should it not change its value, it is still the same tangent line as before.
 
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You have answered your own question, so I'm not sure if anything I say will be helpful.

Think of the equation for the tangent line given by the partial derivatives. It's a line parameterized by a single variable, let's say [itex]t[/itex]. Now when [itex]t[/itex] increases we need to pick which direction we want to traverse the tangent line. When we rotate by the angels you mentioned, all we are doing is choosing to traverse the tangent line in the opposite direction.

Part of the reason for this is that our math shouldn't be bogged down into which coordinate system we use. Instead of the [itex]x[/itex] and [itex]y[/itex] axes, we may want to use two different vectors to serve as our axes.
 


The directional derivative tells the rate of change of z as the point in your domain moves at unit speed in the given direction. If you flip your direction of motion (in the domain), then z switches from increasing to decreasing (or vice-versa), which is why the sign of the directional derivative flips. So yes, it is the same tangent line, but you are going "down" along it instead of "up" along it.
 


thanks a lot :)
 

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