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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the notation for directional and partial derivatives as presented in "Multidimensional Real Analysis I: Differentiation" by J. J. Duistermaat and J. A. C. Kolk. Participants are examining the clarity and common practices associated with this notation, particularly in the context of differentiating functions from ℝⁿ to ℝᵖ.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the use of the notation ##\frac{\partial f}{\partial j}## and suggests that it is more common to use ##\frac{\partial f}{\partial x_j}## instead, noting that the latter requires an implicit assumption of a dummy variable.
  • Another participant agrees with the notation critique and expresses a preference for the clarity of the original notation, while acknowledging it is not common practice.
  • A participant reflects on the challenges of understanding differentiation in the context of functions/mappings from ℝⁿ to ℝᵖ, indicating a personal struggle with the material.
  • One participant shares a remark from Duistermaat and Kolk regarding their notation for directional and partial derivatives, suggesting a desire to clarify the authors' intentions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness and clarity of the notation used for directional and partial derivatives. There is no consensus on which notation is preferable, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best practices in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the potential confusion arising from the use of different notations and the implications of implicit assumptions in mathematical expressions. The discussion does not resolve these issues, leaving the notation's clarity and commonality open to interpretation.

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I am reading "Multidimensional Real Analysis I: Differentiation" by J. J. Duistermaat and J. A. C. Kolk ...

I am focused on Chapter 2: Differentiation ... ...

I need help with an aspect of D&K's notation for directional and partial derivatives ... ...

D&K's definition of directional and partial derivatives reads as follows:
D&K - Start of Section 2.3 on Directional and Partial Derivatives  ... .png


In a previous post I have demonstrated that##D_j f(a) = D_{ e_j} f(a) = D f(a) e_j = \begin{pmatrix} D_j f_1 (a) \\ D_j f_2 (a) \\ D_j f_3 (a) \\ ... \\ ... \\ ... \\ D_j f_p (a) \end{pmatrix}##
I am assuming that in the common 'partials' notation ( Jacobi notation ) that the above can be expressed as follows:
##D_j f(a) = \frac{ \partial f }{ \partial j } = \begin{pmatrix} \frac{ \partial f_1 }{ \partial j } (a) \\ \frac{ \partial f_2 }{ \partial j } (a) \\ \frac{ \partial f_3 }{ \partial j } (a) \\ ... \\ ... \\ ... \\\frac{ \partial f_p }{ \partial j } (a) \end{pmatrix}##Is that correct use of notation/terminology ...?

Peter
 

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In my experience it would be more usual to write ##\frac{\partial f_i}{\partial x_j}## rather than ##\frac{\partial f_i}{\partial j}##. Similarly we would tend to write ##\frac{\partial f}{\partial x_j}## rather than ##\frac{\partial f}{\partial j}##.

Which is a pity, because the way you wrote it is clearer since it does not require implicit assumption of a dummy variable ##x_j##. Just, unfortunately, not common practice.
 
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andrewkirk said:
In my experience it would be more usual to write ##\frac{\partial f_i}{\partial x_j}## rather than ##\frac{\partial f_i}{\partial j}##. Similarly we would tend to write ##\frac{\partial f}{\partial x_j}## rather than ##\frac{\partial f}{\partial j}##.

Which is a pity, because the way you wrote it is clearer since it does not require implicit assumption of a dummy variable ##x_j##. Just, unfortunately, not common practice.
Thanks for pointing that out Andrew ...

I was originally intending to write:

##D_j f(a) = \frac{ \partial f }{ \partial x_j } = \begin{pmatrix} \frac{ \partial f_1 }{ \partial x_j } (a) \\ \frac{ \partial f_2 }{ \partial x_j } (a) \\ \frac{ \partial f_3 }{ \partial x_j } (a) \\ ... \\ ... \\ ... \\\frac{ \partial f_p }{ \partial x_j } (a) \end{pmatrix}##Phew! Learning about ... or further ... getting a good understanding of ... the differentiation of functions/mappings from ##\mathbb{R}^n## to ##\mathbb{R}^p## ... is harder than I thought it would be ... ... :frown:... ...

Peter
 
Math Amateur said:
Thanks for pointing that out Andrew ...

I was originally intending to write:

##D_j f(a) = \frac{ \partial f }{ \partial x_j } = \begin{pmatrix} \frac{ \partial f_1 }{ \partial x_j } (a) \\ \frac{ \partial f_2 }{ \partial x_j } (a) \\ \frac{ \partial f_3 }{ \partial x_j } (a) \\ ... \\ ... \\ ... \\\frac{ \partial f_p }{ \partial x_j } (a) \end{pmatrix}##Phew! Learning about ... or further ... getting a good understanding of ... the differentiation of functions/mappings from ##\mathbb{R}^n## to ##\mathbb{R}^p## ... is harder than I thought it would be ... ... :frown:... ...

Peter
Andrew, fresh_42 and other readers

Given your comments on notation I just thought I would share with you both (and with other readers) Duistermaat and Kolk "Remark on notation". This remark is after the definition of directional and partial derivatives and reads as follows:
D&K - 1 -  Remark on notatin  ... ... PART 1 ... .png

D&K - 2 -  Remark on notatin  ... ... PART 2 ... .png
 

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