Directional photon detector to detect which path?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using a directional photon (or electron) detector in a double-slit experiment to determine which slit a photon or electron passes through, without destroying the interference pattern. Participants explore the implications of quantum mechanics on detection methods and the nature of measurement in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the possibility of detecting which slit a photon comes from using a directional detector placed at the screen, suggesting that since photons land individually, detection should not interfere with the interference pattern.
  • Another participant argues that observing an electron as it passes through a slit alters its trajectory, resulting in the loss of the interference pattern, and that interference can only be observed when no measurements are made during the electron's travel.
  • A participant reiterates that their proposed detector is positioned at the screen, claiming it only detects the arrival of a photon and does not interact with it while passing through the slit, questioning why this would destroy the interference pattern.
  • One participant counters that any measurement of a single photon is inherently "active" and thus disrupts the interference pattern, mentioning the concept of weak measurements that provide averaged information but do not allow for precise detection without interference.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the effectiveness of a detector placed behind the screen, noting that by that time, the photons would have already contributed to the interference pattern and questioning its ability to provide which-way information.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of measurement in quantum mechanics, particularly regarding the interaction of detectors with particles. There is no consensus on whether a directional detector could provide which-way information without affecting the interference pattern.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the principles of quantum mechanics that suggest measurement affects the system, but they debate the specifics of how and when this occurs, particularly in relation to the placement of the detector.

Colin Mitch
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I know this is not possible but I want to know why. Why cannot a directional photon (or electron) detector placed on the screen of a 2 slit experiment detect which slit an individual photon comes from without destroying the fringes? Fire the photons one at a time. They can be detected building up on the screen over time into the interferance fringe pattern. Why cannot I build a directional detector into the screen positioned at one of the bright fringes aimed at one of the slits so I can tell at a particular firing of a photon which slit it came through? After all, the photons land individually on the screen anyway. I can see where they land. All I am doing is putting a directional detector set either on or behind the (semi-transparent?) screen at one spot.
I am imagining the detector as a long tube with a small hole at the front and the photomultiplier tube at the back, aimed so that the field of view is one of the slits only.
 
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I think you can observe which slit the electron goes through and exactly where it ends up on the screen. However, observing an electron as it goes through one of the slits changes the direction of the electron, and so you will not get an interference pattern. You will get the same pattern as if you were firing a machine gun/marbles at the slits.

You can only get an interference pattern by not observing the electrons between the source and the screen.
 
Yes, I realize QM would entail that the interference pattern would be destroyed. But I am not trying to observe an electron as it goes through one of the slits. My detector is at the screen itself. It detects the electron as it arrives at the screen (or after if the detector is behind the screen). My detector is not at the slit, so it should not interfere with the electron on the way through the slit. It passively detects the arrival of a photon at the screen. It is aimed to point at one of the slits. (I guess I would have to assume the electron traveled in a straight line from the slit). Since I am not interfering with the electron at the slit why would the pattern be destroyed?
 
Colin Mitch said:
It passively detects the arrival of a photon at the screen.

There is no - as you call it - passive detection for single shot measurements. Every measurement detecting the arrival of a single photon is "active" and therefore destroying the interference pattern. There are things like weak measurements that give you something similar to what you want to have, but they only give info about quantities averaged over many measurement runs.

How could you detect a photon without interacting with it? This is only possible for classical macroscopic objects.
 
Colin Mitch said:
Yes, I realize QM would entail that the interference pattern would be destroyed. But I am not trying to observe an electron as it goes through one of the slits. My detector is at the screen itself. It detects the electron as it arrives at the screen (or after if the detector is behind the screen). My detector is not at the slit, so it should not interfere with the electron on the way through the slit. It passively detects the arrival of a photon at the screen. It is aimed to point at one of the slits. (I guess I would have to assume the electron traveled in a straight line from the slit). Since I am not interfering with the electron at the slit why would the pattern be destroyed?


A detector behind the screen would do nothing, i guess, because the arriving photons will have already stuck the screen and made an interference pattern.

Also I am not sure if a detector behind the screen would be able to give which-way info.
 

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