Discover the Duration of Magnetic Field Appearance with an Electromagnet

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The discussion revolves around the duration it takes for a magnetic field to appear when an electromagnet is activated. Participants explore various interpretations of the question, including the propagation speed of the magnetic field and the time constants associated with circuit behavior.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the magnetic field appears at the speed of light when considering propagation delay.
  • Others suggest that the question could also refer to circuit theory, where the time constant depends on the circuit's resistance and inductance, leading to a different interpretation of "appearance."
  • One participant mentions the time constant formula, τ = L/R, and notes that it takes about five time constants to reach a steady state field.
  • Another participant raises a hypothetical scenario involving two spaceships and calculates that it would take approximately 2 seconds for the second spaceship to detect the magnetic field, assuming it propagates at the speed of light.
  • There are questions regarding the influence of gravity on magnetic fields, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the relationship.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the question or the factors affecting the duration of the magnetic field's appearance. Multiple competing views remain regarding the speed of propagation and circuit behavior.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the wording of the original question and the assumptions involved in their interpretations, particularly regarding circuit behavior and the effects of gravity on magnetic fields.

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if you turn on an electromagnet, how long does it take the field to apear?
 
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I'm not 100% positive, but I think it is at the speed of light.
 
As far as i know, it is the speed of light. Also, PLEASE edit your title and change Feild to Field. It's really bugging me lol! And it helps with the search function if someone wants to search for a Field.
 
Caelus said:
if you turn on an electromagnet, how long does it take the field to apear?

Hmmm, the question can be a little misleading (particularly the word appear!). I agree with the above that it is the speed of light if you are asking about the propagation delay.

Another way to interpret your question is in terms of circuit theory assuming infinite propagation speed. Then you are really talking about the circuit time constant. This then depends on the circuit. However, if you basically have an inductive circuit with resistance, (as might be typical), then the time constant is

[tex]\tau={{L}\over{R}}[/tex],

where R is the resistance and L is the inductance. This is a first order response and it takes about five time constants to effectively reach the steady state field. Steady state is when the field is effectively constant which seems to be a different meaning than "appear".
 
Ah, good call steven.

Perhaps the OP is talking more about the circuit itself.
That is, "I press the power button for an electromagnet. How long does it take for the magnetic field to start propagating?"
 
Im finding the question hard to word. if you had two spaceships 600,000,000 meters from each other and one turned on a really powerful electormagnet, how long would it take the other spaceship to detect it (ignoring the resistance in the magnet)?
 
well the speed isn't infinite or antennas wouldn't work.
 
Drakkith said:
As far as i know, it is the speed of light. Also, PLEASE edit your title and change Feild to Field. It's really bugging me lol! And it helps with the search function if someone wants to search for a Field.

We can edit our titles?
 
Caelus said:
Im finding the question hard to word. if you had two spaceships 600,000,000 meters from each other and one turned on a really powerful electormagnet, how long would it take the other spaceship to detect it (ignoring the resistance in the magnet)?

Converts to: 372,822.7 miles.
As the speed of light(also magnetism) is 186,282 miles per second, this equates to:
2 seconds.
 
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Magnetic fields arn't affected directly by gravity right?
 
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Caelus said:
Magnetic fields arn't affected directly by gravity right?

The full nature of gravity is not understood.
It does seem to affect everything, even massless photons.
However, the SIGNIFICANCE, or magnitude, of effect is most important.

Gravity seems to be an immutably pervasive but VERY weak force.
My initial thoughts are that, yes, magnetism is affected by gravity.
 

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