Discover the Secret to Effortless Motorbike Lifting with Central Stands

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of lifting a motorbike using a central stand, focusing on the principles of mechanical advantage and leverage involved in the process. Participants explore the physics behind how a rider can lift the bike with minimal effort, considering various factors such as the center of gravity (CoG), pivot points, and the role of body mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that mechanical advantage is achieved through leverage provided by the design of the central stand.
  • Another suggests that if the stand is positioned closer to the back of the bike than its CoG, it creates a pivot point at the front wheel, allowing for mechanical advantage.
  • There is a discussion about the angles of the bike support leg and foot lever when the stand is on the ground, which may affect the horizontal distance from the pivot point.
  • A participant mentions that a lighter person could enhance their lifting force by accelerating upwards while stepping on the foot lever.
  • One contributor emphasizes that lifting the bike does not require raising its full weight, as the front wheel remains on the ground, and the pivot is near the CoG.
  • Another point raised is the importance of pushing the bike back while pressing the stand against the ground to create sufficient friction for lifting.
  • There is a description of the stand functioning more like a cam than a lever, with the bike being encouraged to move over the stand into a self-locked position.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the mechanics involved, with no clear consensus reached. While some agree on the principles of mechanical advantage and leverage, others introduce additional factors that may influence the lifting process, indicating a lack of resolution on the specifics.

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Some assumptions about the bike's weight distribution, the exact positioning of the stand, and the rider's technique remain unverified. The discussion does not provide specific measurements or detailed calculations to support the claims made.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals studying mechanics, motorcycle enthusiasts, or those looking to understand the physics of lifting heavy objects using mechanical systems.

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Homework Statement:: How does the central stand of this guy's motorbike enable him to lift it with little effort?
https://youtu.be/QjhqcrGvlvg
Relevant Equations:: I understand he succeeds by using mechanical advantage having good leverage from the engineering in the stand.

Could anyone help me work out a resonable explanation of how that leverage works? It makes no sense to me...
 
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He looks a beefy guy, so may weigh about half as much as the bike.
If the stand is nearer the back than the bike CoG, as appears to be the case because the rear wheel lifts, then the pivot is the front wheel and there is some lever mechanical advantage.
When the stand is on the floor, are the bike support leg and the foot lever at different angles to the ground? Looks maybe. Then the foot may be further (horizontally) from the pivot point (on the ground), than the support attachment point to the bike. Again some MA.
Doesn't look like he does this, but a lighter person could increase his force by accelerating his body upwards sharply as he steps on the foot lever.
Ditto he could apply a little horizontal torque on the handle bar and top box as he steps on.

If you can find a sideview so that we can estimate a few measurements maybe we could quantify that a bit.
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Really thank you, I probably couldn't have wished for a more complete answer. I don't really need to obtain specifically the real measurements in this case, it was mainly a matter of understanding how the leverage produces the MA and now i get it 100%! :smile:
 
I've lifted plenty of pretty heavy streetbikes using their centerstands. I think the keys are that you don't have to lift the weight of the bike very high (and not the whole weight -- the front wheel stays on the ground), the pivot for the centerstand is very close to the COG for the bike (just slightly behind it), and the lever arm of the lifting stand compared to the lifting distance gives you a good mechanical advantage.

Even with all of that though, it does take a lot of your weight and some lifting with your right hand in opposition to your right foot pressing down in order to make the centerstand transition work.

Do you have any friends with such motorcycles that you could ask for a demo and to try it? I switched to sportbikes/superbikes many years ago, so even if you are close to Silicon Valley, California, I'm not able to help you try it out. :smile:
 
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There is also the pushing of the bike back simultaneously as you keep the stand pressed against the surface in order to obtain enough friction.
The vertical distance is small and the stand acts more like a cam than like a lever: basically the bike is "encouraged" by the rider to jump over the stand.
Once the bike is over the vertical position of pivot-contact point line, it falls down a little into a self-locked position.
Dismounting the bike from there requires only a pushing forward effort.
 

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