Discovering Z Symmetry: Understanding its Role in Physics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of "Z symmetry," a discrete symmetry in physics, particularly in the context of Lagrangians and field theory. Participants explore its properties, references, and implications in theoretical frameworks.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the nature of Z symmetry and its relation to discrete symmetries, mentioning Z charges and their role in Lagrangian invariance.
  • Another participant requests references regarding Z symmetry and seeks clarification on when terms involving Z charges are invariant or non-invariant under this symmetry.
  • A participant explains that for a discrete symmetry, invariance can be determined by the expression (-1)^{\sum_i Q_i}, indicating that invariance occurs when the result is positive and non-invariance when negative.
  • This participant also draws a parallel between Z symmetry and U(1) symmetry, suggesting that a broken U(1) symmetry leads to Z2 symmetry.
  • Additionally, there is a mention of Z_N groups and the requirement for invariance to belong to the identity element.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion reflects a lack of consensus on the specifics of Z symmetry, with participants expressing different levels of understanding and seeking clarification on its properties and references.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully defined the assumptions underlying Z symmetry, and there are unresolved questions regarding the mathematical treatment of Z charges in various contexts.

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Hi all,

Have anyone heard about a symmetry called " Z symmetry " . It's considered a discrete symmetry, in which terms at a Lagrangian for example can take "Z charges" 0, 1 or +1 to be invariant or non-invariant under this symmetry ..

I heard about before, but I try to find any reference for it. I found only rotational groups like ##Z_2## and ##Z_4##.


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I need a reference about ,
also I don't remember exactly, when we give "Z charges " for the fields in a term like say : ## d^c e^+ \phi ##, when
this term is invariant or not invariant under this symmetry.
 
if you try to do a discrete symmetry, in front of your terms you will have:
[itex](-1)^{\sum_i Q_i}[/itex]
invariant is when it's plus (so you have the same result)
not invariant if it's minus (because you got a minus in front).
It's pretty similar to a U(1) symmetry, because a broken U(1) gives you the Z2.

Now I guess, if you have a Z_N group, looking at it as the Nth root of unity, then in order to be invariant it has to belong to the identity again...
 

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