Discrete Optimization Problem?

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The discussion revolves around a discrete optimization problem involving the expression for A, defined in terms of factorials and parameters r_1 and r_2, where M is the sum of r_1 and r_2. Participants explore how to analytically determine the maximum value of A, with a focus on the relationships between the variables and the implications of different values of M.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the expression for A and suggests that the maximum occurs at r_2 = (1/2)r_1, seeking analytical methods to confirm this.
  • Another participant argues that substituting the expressions for M leads to the conclusion that r_2 = 0, resulting in A being equal to 1.
  • A third participant echoes the previous point and questions the initial formulation, suggesting a potential misunderstanding of the relationships between r_1 and r_2.
  • A later reply reiterates the expression for A and suggests examining the ratio R(r) = A(r+1)/A(r) to find when it transitions from greater than 1 to less than 1, as a method for determining maxima.
  • It is noted that having r_1 = M/2 is only valid if M is even; if M is odd, the solution would be at the two neighboring integers to M/2.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationships between r_1, r_2, and M, with no consensus on the correct approach to finding the maximum of A. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the analytical methods to confirm the maximum value of A.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made regarding the relationships between the variables, particularly concerning the parity of M and its implications for the values of r_1 and r_2. The mathematical steps leading to conclusions are not fully resolved.

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Consider the expression:$$A = \frac{ M! }{ r_1!\ r_2! }$$

where M = r_1 + r_2,
where r_1 = (M - 2r_2)

$$A = \frac{ (r_1 + r_2)! }{ r_1!\ r_2! } \\ \ \\ \
= \frac{ ((M-2r_2) + r_2)! }{ (M-2r_2)!\ (r_2)! } \\ \ \\ \
= \frac{ (M-r_2)! }{ (M-2r_2)!\ r_2! }

$$

Then, for a given M, A maximum occurs at : r_2 = \frac{1}{2}r_1.
I know this because I can generate a table algorithmically. But I'd like to know how to arrive here analytically. Any pointers would be appreciated.
 
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Given that ##M = r_1 + r_2## and ##r_1 = (M - 2r_2)##, then if we substitute the second expression for ##M## in the first expression, we get ##M = M - r_2##, implying that ##r_2 = 0##. Then ##A ≡ 1##.
 
tnich said:
Given that ##M = r_1 + r_2## and ##r_1 = (M - 2r_2)##, then if we substitute the second expression for ##M## in the first expression, we get ##M = M - r_2##, implying that ##r_2 = 0##. Then ##A ≡ 1##.
Maybe you meant to say ##r_1 = M - r_2##
 
iScience said:
Consider the expression:$$A = \frac{ M! }{ r_1!\ r_2! }$$

where M = r_1 + r_2,
where r_1 = (M - 2r_2)

$$A = \frac{ (r_1 + r_2)! }{ r_1!\ r_2! } \\ \ \\ \
= \frac{ ((M-2r_2) + r_2)! }{ (M-2r_2)!\ (r_2)! } \\ \ \\ \
= \frac{ (M-r_2)! }{ (M-2r_2)!\ r_2! }

$$

Then, for a given M, A maximum occurs at : r_2 = \frac{1}{2}r_1.
I know this because I can generate a table algorithmically. But I'd like to know how to arrive here analytically. Any pointers would be appreciated.

For
$$ A(r) = \frac{M!}{r! (M-r)!},$$
look at the ratio
$$R(r) = \frac{A(r+1)}{A(r)}$$
and examine when ##R(r)## goes from ##R>1## to ##R < 1## as ##r## increases.

BTW: having ##r_1 = \frac{M}{2}## is possible only if ##M## is even; if ##M## is odd, the solution will be at the two neighboring integers to ##M/2.##
 

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