Discriminants - When will a quadratic equation have 2 real solutions

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The discussion revolves around the properties of quadratic equations, specifically focusing on the discriminant and its implications for the number of real solutions. The original poster is trying to understand how the discriminant, defined as \(\delta = b^2 - 4ac\), determines whether a quadratic equation has two, one, or no real solutions.

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  • Participants explore the conditions under which the discriminant yields different numbers of real solutions. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the cases for one and two solutions, while another participant explains the implications of the discriminant being less than, equal to, or greater than zero.

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Some participants have provided insights into the nature of the discriminant and its role in determining the number of solutions. The original poster has attempted to apply this understanding to a specific quadratic equation involving a variable \(k\) and has received feedback on their findings. There is an acknowledgment of the need to consider additional solutions beyond the initial observations.

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Hey. I've got a question to solve, and I am a bit confused.


Consider the general quadratic equation:
[tex]x^2 +b x + c = 0[/tex]

The quantity, [tex]\delta[/tex] is known as the discriminant of the equation, and is described as follows:

[tex]\delta=b^{2}-4ac[/tex]

Calculating [itex]\delta[/itex] gives us information about the number and nature of the solutions of the original equation.


For what values of [itex]\delta[/itex] will the equation have:
-2 real solutions
-1 real solution
-no real solutions?

Ok. I understand what the question is asking, i just don't know how to do it. I am oretty sure that if [itex]\delta < 0[/itex], thenthere are no real solutions, but I am not sure about 1 or 2 solutions. I played around with quadratic functions on my calculator, and didnt really get anywhere.

I then need to do the same with the equation:
[tex]x^{2}+(k-3)x+9=0[/tex]

And find the number of roots of the equation relative to the value of k.

If anyone could assist me, and guide me in the right direction, id appreciate it a lot.

Thanks,
Dan.

EDIT: for some reason the LaTeX images arent showing up properly. Ill try to fix them.
 
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The discriminant comes from the follwoing equation:
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/images/equations/QuadraticEquation/equation5.gif

The discriminant is the bit in the square root. Now if you have a discriminant of <0 you end up with square roots of negative numbers. Which don't exist in the real number system.

If the discriminant equals 0, what does the equations shown in above simplify down to (hint: what is plus/minus the square root of 0)?

From that you should be able to see why there are two solutions when the discriminant is >0.
 
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ok that makes sense to me. Thanks a lot for that.

The next part needs me to do the same with the equation:

x^2 + (k-3)x + 9 = 0

I found that:

if k=9, 1 solution
if k>9, 2 solutions
if k<9, no real solutions

Could someone check that and tell me if I am correct?
 
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danago said:
ok that makes sense to me. Thanks a lot for that.

The next part needs me to do the same with the equation:

x^2 + (k-3)x + 9 = 0

I found that:

if k=9, 1 solution
if k>9, 2 solutions
if k<9, no real solutions

Could someone check that and tell me if I am correct?

Ok the discriminant of x^2 + (k-3)x + 9 = 0 (eq. 1) is:

(k-3)^2-36
Which can be expanded to : k^2-6k-27 (eq. 2)

Equation 2's discriminant is >0, which indicates that equation 2 has two solutions for 0, which indicates there are two possible values for k in equation 1. You have found only one value (k=9) when there is only one solution, when there is in fact another solution for k (hint: its a negative integer).
 
oh ok. I graphed it and found -3 to be the second solution. I didnt even think about a second solution at the time. Thanks for reminding me :)
 

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