Discuss Dark Matter & Light: Photons Affecting Space-Time?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the hypothesis that photons emitted from stars could be a source of dark energy and dark matter, exploring the implications of light's properties on space-time and cosmic acceleration.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that photons, having mass and velocity, could affect space-time and contribute to dark energy and dark matter.
  • Another participant argues that photons cannot be the source of dark matter or dark energy, citing measurements of ambient light and the distribution of dark matter in the universe.
  • This second participant emphasizes that dark matter is concentrated in filaments with galaxies and that light does not clump together, which contradicts the proposed hypothesis.
  • Additionally, it is stated that light has the opposite effect of dark energy, as it slows down the expansion of the universe rather than accelerating it.
  • There is a correction regarding the mass of photons, clarifying that they are massless but possess energy that contributes to gravitational effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement, with one viewpoint suggesting a potential connection between photons and dark phenomena, while another firmly rejects this idea based on empirical evidence and theoretical considerations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion is limited by the speculative nature of the initial claim and the requirement for peer-reviewed sources to support such hypotheses. The conversation reflects a tension between speculative ideas and established scientific understanding.

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I would like to discuss the topic of light (photons) being emitted from stars potentially being the source of dark energy and dark matter. Photons have mass and velocity; therefore they will affect space time, and their impact could have an effect on objects causing acceleration.

Would love to discuss why/why not this might be possible.
 
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Photons are not, and cannot be, the source of dark matter and dark energy. We can measure the amount of ambient light in the universe and we know for a fact that there isn't nearly enough of it to affect the universe in such a way.

Not only that, but dark matter is clearly concentrated in long filaments with galaxies embedded in the larger structure. Surrounding this are large voids, where the density of matter and dark matter is much less than average. Light cannot explain this, as it simply spreads out into all of space and does not clump together.

It also can't be dark energy, as light actually has the opposite effect on the universe that dark energy does. That is, it slows down the expansion, it doesn't speed it up.

Edit: photons also don't have mass. They are indeed massless. But they do have energy, which causes gravitation.
 
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Thread will remain closed. Nice reply by @Drakkith :smile:

@Swedeson -- Welcome to the PF. We do not discuss speculation like that. If you can find related topics presented in peer-reviewed journal articles and mainstream textbooks, please start a new thread with links to those resources and ask specific questions about them. Thank you.

Please also review the PF rules about speculation (under INFO at the top of the page). :smile:
 

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