Dissecting a cathode ray tube television

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the safety concerns and risks associated with dissecting a cathode ray tube (CRT) television. Participants explore the dangers posed by capacitors, the structure of the CRT, and general advice for beginners in electronics.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern about the presence of capacitors in CRT televisions that can retain a dangerous charge even when unplugged.
  • Others highlight the risks associated with the evacuated glass tube, noting that it can implode and release glass shards, as well as contain toxic chemicals.
  • There is mention of the high voltage present in CRTs, with some participants stating that the conductive coating can hold a charge of around +25kV.
  • One participant warns that older CRTs can hold significant charges for months, while newer designs may have bleeder circuits that discharge voltage more quickly.
  • Several participants advise against amateurs working on CRTs without proper knowledge and suggest starting with simpler, battery-powered circuits.
  • There are references to personal experiences with electric shocks from CRTs, emphasizing the dangers involved.
  • Some participants discuss the potential for learning and experimentation but caution against focusing on dangerous practices.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the dangers associated with CRT televisions, particularly regarding capacitors and the glass tube. However, there are differing opinions on the specifics of how long charges can last and the safety measures that should be taken.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions about the safety of working with CRTs, including the need for proper discharge techniques and the risks of toxic materials. There is no consensus on the exact duration that charges can remain in capacitors or the effectiveness of bleeder circuits.

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I'm considering dissecting an old, color cathode ray tube television. Do cathode ray tube televisions have capicitors in them that could shock me?
 
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Please do not play around with electronics if you don't know what you're doing. I'm not going to give you any information regarding TVs because that is not a safe place for an amateur to start.
 
Not to mention the large evacuated glass thingie the picture appears on... a very dangerous thing even when the tv is switched off & disconnected from the mains.
 
zeitghost said:
Not to mention the large evacuated glass thingie the picture appears on... a very dangerous thing even when the tv is switched off & disconnected from the mains.

Why would the glass screen of a tv be dangerous even when the tv is switch off and disconnected? Do you think it would be dangerous because it could break and cut someone?
 
turbo-1 said:
Please do not play around with electronics if you don't know what you're doing. I'm not going to give you any information regarding TVs because that is not a safe place for an amateur to start.

What is a safe place for an amateur to start?
 
stickythighs said:
What is a safe place for an amateur to start?
Start with battery-powered circuits that you can bread-board. Radio Shack has bread-board kits with components that you can learn from. Learn the functions of the components, how to read the values of those components from markings, how to measure the values using a digital multimeter, etc, etc. Before you delve into AC or high-voltage DC circuits, you MUST learn how to test and safely discharge capacitors. They can kill you.
 
Turbo,

What does bread board mean?
 
A bread-board is a perforated plastic circuit board on which you can build circuits using discrete components.
 
stickythighs said:
Why would the glass screen of a tv be dangerous even when the tv is switch off and disconnected? Do you think it would be dangerous because it could break and cut someone?

There is a vacuum inside the tube, so it could implode and send glass shards flying everywhere. Also there may be toxic chemicals.
 
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In the tv show MacGyver, MacGyver once made a bomb out of the cathode ray tube of a tv, and that's what sparked my interest.
 
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The capacitors in a crt are large enough to kill you and they can keep a charge for years after being plugged in.
 
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stickythighs said:
In the tv show MacGyver, MacGyver once made a bomb out of the cathode ray tube of a tv, and that's what sparked my interest.

Well there's a healthy interest in learning... :rolleyes:

As others have said, please learn a LOT more before messing around with a TV or computer monitor. In addition to the large mechanical energy stored in the evacuated CRT itself, the high voltage circuit that charges up the CRT (the conductive coating on the faceplate is held at around +25kV with respect to the electron gun in the back/neck of the CRT), can hold a residual voltage of several kV when turned off. And that residual charge sticks around for an amazingly long time in some cases. Certainly several days (probably not years though).

There are also AC mains capacitors like after the input bridge rectifier, which can stay charged up to hundreds of volts for days as they leak down. Very unpleasant when brushing up against exposed leads (Quiz Question -- why do I know that? Ouch.).

Finally, there is no safe "ground" in television sets. They often use a "hot chassis" design, which means that if you do not use an isolation transformer in working with open TVs, you will either blow up your oscilloscope or electrocute yourself. Or both (now THAT would be a bad day, to have both happen...).

So a) start with more basic circuits to learn from, and b) don't make your learning aimed mostly at how to blow stuff up.
 
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stickythighs said:
Why would the glass screen of a tv be dangerous even when the tv is switch off and disconnected? Do you think it would be dangerous because it could break and cut someone?

Because they still retain a charge, and pack quite a punch even when unplugged, don't do it.
 
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There is a lot of chemicals inside a CRT, such as lead and phosphorous in form of a fine powder which if disturbed will disperse into the air.
 
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stickythighs said:
I'm considering dissecting an old, color cathode ray tube television. Do cathode ray tube televisions have capicitors in them that could shock me?
You could get some damage playing with something like that, but you can also discharge capacitors with a resistor (~50-200k Ohmms value should be fine) connected to two wires.
 
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Most new CRT circuits and power supplies have built in bleeder circuits which discharge the voltage fairly quickly.
As long as the bleeder circuits themselves are not broken which happens from time to time.

Older CRT implementations could hold a significant charge for months.
 
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DON'T DO IT! EXTREMELY DANGEROUS!

I have seen dangerous charges on CRT's that have been disconnected for a couple years.

Just don't do it.
 
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stickythighs said:
I'm considering dissecting an old, color cathode ray tube television. Do cathode ray tube televisions have capicitors in them that could shock me?

Heck, yeah they do! Experienced repairmen usually won't even touch one until it's been sitting unplugged for a week or more. There can definitely be enough charge in TV capacitors to kill you.
 

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