Distance between two points in the Cartesian plane

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mathematical concept of finding the coordinates of a point that divides a line segment between two points in the Cartesian plane in a given ratio. Participants explore the derivation of the formula for the coordinates of this dividing point, as well as the geometric reasoning behind it.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the formula for the coordinates of point P that divides segment AB in the ratio λ:μ, suggesting it is given by the expression involving weighted averages of the coordinates of points A and B.
  • Another participant relates the distance AP to the total length AB, indicating a proportional relationship based on the ratio λ:μ.
  • Participants discuss the derivation of equations based on a right triangle formed by the segment AB, leading to expressions for the horizontal and vertical legs of the triangle.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the choice of λ and μ, questioning how these values affect the plotting of point P.
  • One participant elaborates on their geometric reasoning, explaining how they derived the equations from the triangle and the implications of the segment not being horizontal or vertical.
  • A later reply provides a specific example using numerical values for λ and μ, demonstrating the calculation of the coordinates of point M and comparing it to the proposed formula.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the clarity of the geometric reasoning or the implications of the chosen ratios. There are varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the derivation process and the application of the formula.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note assumptions about the orientation of segment AB and the arbitrary placement of point P, which may affect the interpretation of the derived equations. There is also mention of the need for clarity in the definitions of λ and μ.

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Let $AB$ be the distance between the two points $A(x_{1} ~ x_{2})$ and $B(x_{2}, ~ y_{2})$ -- e.g. $AB = \sqrt{(x_{2}-x_{1})^2+(y_{2}-y_{1})^2}$.

Why is the point $P$ which divides $AB$ in the ratio $\lambda:\mu$ given by $\displaystyle ~~ \bigg(\frac{\lambda x_{2}+\mu x_{1}}{\lambda+\mu}, ~ \frac{\lambda y_{2}+\mu y_{1}}{\lambda+\mu}\bigg)$? How do you show that?
 
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If AP is given by $\lambda $ then

$\displaystyle AP = \frac{\lambda}{\lambda+\mu}\times AB$
 
Let point P be $\displaystyle (x_P,y_P)$.

Using a right triangle where AB is the hypotenuse, and working with the legs, you could set up the following equations:

Horizontal leg:

$\displaystyle \frac{\lambda}{\lambda+\mu}=\frac{x_P-x_1}{x_2-x_1}$

Vertical leg:

$\displaystyle \frac{\lambda}{\lambda+\mu}=\frac{y_P-y_1}{y_2-y_1}$

Now solve for $\displaystyle (x_P,y_P)$.
 
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How did you get those equations from the triangle?
 
I sort of get it, but I'm bit confused about the choice of $\lambda$ and $\mu$ in the plotting.
 
Poly said:
How did you get those equations from the triangle?

I assumed the segment AB is neither horizontal nor vertical, and arbitrarily placed a point on it and labeled it P. Then using the described triangle, from P I extended both a horizontal and a vertical line to the legs of the triangle at which the points of intersection divides the legs in the same ratio as P divides AB.
 
Hello, Poly!

Let $AB$ be the distance between the two points $A(x_1,\,y_1)$ and $B(x_2,\,y_2)$
. . $AB \:=\: \sqrt{(x_2-x_1)^2+(y_2-y_1)^2}$ . We don't need this.

Why is the point $P$ which divides $AB$ in the ratio $\lambda\!:\!\mu$ given by $\left(\dfrac{\lambda x_{2}+\mu x_{1}}{\lambda+\mu},\,\dfrac{\lambda y_{2}+\mu y_{1}}{\lambda+\mu}\right)$?
How do you show that?
Code:
                                    B
                                    o(x2,y2)
                                *   |   : 
                            *       |   :
                   M    *           | y2-y1
                    o               |   :
                *                   |   :
    (x1,y1) o-----------------------+   -
            A - - - - x2-x1 - - - - C
Suppose M divides AB in the ratio \lambda\!:\!\mu \:=\:3:4

Then M is \tfrac{3}{7} of the way from A to B.

The x-coordinate is: .x_1 + \tfrac{3}{7}(x_1-x_1) \:=\:\tfrac{4}{7}x_1 + \tfrac{3}{7}x_2

The y-coordinate is: .y_1 + \tfrac{3}{7}(y_2-y_1) \:=\:\tfrac{4}{7}y_1 + \tfrac{3}{7}y^2The coordinates of M are: .\left(\tfrac{4}{7}x_1+\tfrac{3}{7}x_2,\:\tfrac{4}{7}y_1 + \tfrac{3}{7}y_2\right)

. . =\;\left(\frac{4x_1 + 3x_2}{7},\:\frac{4y_1+3y_2}{7}\right) \;=\; \left(\frac{3x_2+4x_1}{3+4},\:\frac{3y_2+4y_1}{3+4}\right)

Compare this to the given formula.
 

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