Distance formula question, word problem

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The discussion revolves around a word problem involving two cars traveling in different directions, specifically focusing on determining their coordinates at a given time and calculating the distance between them. The problem is set within a coordinate system, and participants explore the implications of their positions and movements over time.

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  • One participant describes car A traveling north at 50 mph and being initially 50 miles south of car B, which is traveling west at 20 mph.
  • Another participant suggests using the distance formula instead of the midpoint formula to find the distance between the cars at 11 AM.
  • There is confusion regarding the coordinates of car A at 9 AM, with participants discussing how to determine its position based on the given information.
  • Participants clarify that car A's coordinates at 9 AM should be (0, -50) since it is south of car B, which is at the origin (0, 0).
  • There is a discussion about the order of coordinates in the distance formula, with some participants questioning if it matters which coordinate is assigned to x1, y1 or x2, y2.
  • One participant emphasizes that while the order of coordinates in the distance formula does not matter, corresponding coordinates must be paired correctly.
  • Another participant points out that car A will travel 100 miles north in two hours, leading to a new coordinate that needs to be determined.

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Participants generally agree on the need to determine the coordinates of both cars at 11 AM before applying the distance formula. However, there is some confusion and uncertainty regarding the initial coordinates and the application of the distance formula, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved in certain aspects.

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Participants express uncertainty about the initial coordinates of car A and the implications of coordinate order in the distance formula. There are also unresolved questions about the correct application of the distance formula based on the determined coordinates.

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9:00 AM car A travels north 50 mph
and is 50 miles south of car B
Car B is traveling west at 20 mph

Let (0,0) be initial coordinates of car B on xy plane
units are in miles
Plot locations of each car at 9:00 AM and 11:00 AM

find distance of cars at 11:00 AM.
So I use the midpoint formula but I'm not sure if it matters which one to plug in x1 and x2

I have a 50, another 50 and a 20 but I only have 2 variable spots over a 2.

Can I have some help with this please? Thank you
 
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You are being asked to find the distance between the cars at 11 am, so you would use the distance formula, not the mid-point formula.

What are the coordinates of both cars at 9 am? and at 11 am?
 
Ok, so still the distance.

The coordinates of car a at 9 AM it does not say. i think that's what I'm trying to find out.
 
OMGMathPLS said:
Ok, so still the distance.

The coordinates of car a at 9 AM it does not say. i think that's what I'm trying to find out.

You are told to orient your coordinate axes such that at 9 am, car B is at the origin, which has coordinates $(0,0)$. If car A is 50 miles south of car B at 9 am, then what would its coordinates be?
 
MarkFL said:
You are told to orient your coordinate axes such that at 9 am, car B is at the origin, which has coordinates $(0,0)$. If car A is 50 miles south of car B at 9 am, then what would its coordinates be?
Does it matter if 0, 0 is put in as the first or second?

I think the other pair would be (-50, 20)?
 
OMGMathPLS said:
Does it matter if 0, 0 is put in as the first or second?

I think the other pair would be (-50, 20)?

If car A is due south of car B, then both cars lie along the same vertical line, this means their $x$-coordinates are the same. Now, since car A is south, which I would take as being below on the graph, you want to plot the point 50 units below the origin for the location of car A. What would this point be?
 
That's going to be negative -50 because it's -50 south (down) on the number line from 0,0 where car B is.

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I mean the Y line not number line.
 
OMGMathPLS said:
That's going to be negative -50 because it's -50 south (down) on the number line from 0,0 where car B is.

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I mean the Y line not number line.

Correct! :D

So, at 9 am car A is at $(0,-50)$, and car B is at $(0,0)$. Now, given the information on the speed and direction of both cars, what will their coordinates be two hours later, at 11 am?
 
View attachment 3317It doesn't matter which order I plug it in as does it?

like if 0, 0 can be set 1 for x1, y1 or x2, y2 does it matter or does it come out the same?
 

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OMGMathPLS said:
It doesn't matter which order I plug it in as does it?

like if 0, 0 can be set 1 for x1, y1 or x2, y2 does it matter or does it come out the same?

We're really not ready to plug anything in yet...we first need to determine the coordinates of the two cars at 11 am, since this is the time for which we are asked to find the distance between the cars.

But the order does matter within the pairs, and the coordinates are even referred to as "ordered pairs." The $x$-coordinate is listed first, then the $y$-coordinate for each point, in the form $(x,y)$.

Once you have the two points at 11 am, the suppose car A is at $\left(x_A,y_A\right)$, and car B is at $\left(x_B,y_B\right)$. Then the distance between them would be:

$$d=\sqrt{\left(x_A-x_B\right)^2+\left(y_A-y_B\right)^2}$$

The order of the two $x$ and two $y$ coordinates doesn't matter, but corresponding coordinates must be paired together. In other words, one term under the radical must be the square of the difference betwee $x$-coordinates and the other term must be the square of the difference between $y$-coordinates.
 
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MarkFL said:
We're really not ready to plug anything in yet...we first need to determine the coordinates of the two cars at 11 am, since this is the time for which we are asked to find the distance between the cars.

But the order does matter within the pairs, and the coordinates are even referred to as "ordered pairs." The $x$-coordinate is listed first, then the $y$-coordinate for each point, in the form $(x,y)$.

Once you have the two points at 11 am, the suppose car A is at $\left(x_A,y_A\right)$, and car B is at $\left(x_B,y_B\right)$. Then the distance between them would be:

$$d=\sqrt{\left(x_A-x_B\right)^2+\left(y_A-y_B\right)^2}$$

The order of the two $x$ and two $y$ coordinates doesn't matter, but corresponding coordinates must be paired together. In other words, one term under the radical must be the square of the difference betwee $x$-coordinates and the other term must be the square of the difference between $y$-coordinates.
I plugged it in. It didn't work. Please see the paper above.
 
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OMGMathPLS said:
I plugged it in. It didn't work. Please see the paper above.

You first have to find the coordinates of the cars at 11 am. Until you do that you are not ready to use the distance formula.

Let's look at car A first. It begins at $(0,-50)$, and then travels north at 50 mph for two hours. What will its new coordinates be?
 
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MarkFL said:
You first have to find the coordinates of the cars at 11 am. Until you do that you are not ready to use the distance formula.

Let's look at car A first. It begins at $(0,-50)$, and then travels north at 50 mph for two hours. What will its new coordinates be?
Will it be 0, 0?
 
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OMGMathPLS said:
Will it be 0, 0?

No, at 50 mph car A will travel 100 miles in 2 hours. We can see this by using the relationship between distance, constant speed and time:

$$d=vt$$

$$d=50\,\frac{\text{mi}}{\text{hr}}\cdot2\text{ hr}=100\text{ mi}$$

What point is 100 units due north of $(0,-50)$?
 

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