Diving car down steep, slippery hill (work, gravity, friction)

[Jim01]

Homework Statement

Driving an automobile down a slippery, steep hill, a driver brakes and skids at a constant speed for 10m. If the automobile mass is 1700kg and the angle of the slope of the hill is 25 degrees, how much work does gravity do on the car during the skid? How much work does friction do on the car?

Homework Equations

ΣF_x = 0

W_x = -mgsinΘ
F_f = ?

F_f - W_x = 0

ΣF_y = 0

W_y = -mgcosΘ
N = mgcosΘ

N - W_y = 0

The Attempt at a Solution

F_f - W_x = 0
F_f = W_x
F_f = -mgsinΘ
F_f = -(1700kg)(9.81m/s²)sin25°
F_f = -7.06x10³N

It seems to me that if F_f is -7.06x10³N then the gravitational pull down the hill would have to be an equal but opposite 7.06x10³N, but I am unsure about this.

W = F_s cosΘ

W_g = 7.06x10³N cos25° = 6.4x10 ³J

W_f = -7.06x10³N cos25° = 6.4x10 ³J

I know that this is an incorrect answer, however, I am unsure of what to do.

 

[PhanthomJay]

Homework Statement

Driving an automobile down a slippery, steep hill, a driver brakes and skids at a constant speed for 10m. If the automobile mass is 1700kg and the angle of the slope of the hill is 25 degrees, how much work does gravity do on the car during the skid? How much work does friction do on the car?

Homework Equations

ΣF_x = 0

W_x = -mgsinΘ
F_f = ?

F_f - W_x = 0

ΣF_y = 0

W_y = -mgcosΘ
N = mgcosΘ

N - W_y = 0

The Attempt at a Solution

F_f - W_x = 0
F_f = W_x
F_f = -mgsinΘ
F_f = -(1700kg)(9.81m/s²)sin25°
F_f = -7.06x10³N

It seems to me that if F_f is -7.06x10³N then the gravitational pull down the hill would have to be an equal but opposite 7.06x10³N, but I am unsure about this.

You have correctly noted in your equations that since the car is moving at constant speed, then the sum of forces along the incline must be 0. So raise your hand if you're sure.

W = F_s cosΘ

W_g = 7.06x10³N cos25° = 6.4x10 ³J

W_f = -7.06x10³N cos25° = 6.4x10 ³J

I know that this is an incorrect answer, however, I am unsure of what to do.

What's the formula for work (your equations are incomplete)? Also, what is the value of theta to use in your equations for work?

 

[Jim01]

You have correctly noted in your equations that since the car is moving at constant speed, then the sum of forces along the incline must be 0. So raise your hand if you're sure.What's the formula for work (your equations are incomplete)? Also, what is the value of theta to use in your equations for work?

I think I see my problem. I was thinking that since the car was going down a hill at at 25 degree angle that I would use the W = F_scos\theta formula. However, after thinking about it, the force is parallel with the slope of the hill, so I should either use the W = F_x\Deltax formula OR set \theta to 0 instead of 25.

 

[PhanthomJay]

I think I see my problem. I was thinking that since the car was going down a hill at at 25 degree angle that I would use the W = F_scos\theta formula.

the general equation for work done by a constant force is Fcostheta(d)

(However, after thinking about it, the force is parallel with the slope of the hill, so I should either use the W = F_x\Deltax formula OR set \theta to 0 instead of 25.

yes, so how much work is done by gravity, and how much work is done by friction?

 

[Jim01]

the general equation for work done by a constant force is Fcostheta(d)

OK, after relooking at my book what I thought was an F_s was actually an Fs, so W = Fscos\theta. Can I assume that s and d are the same thing?

yes, so how much work is done by gravity, and how much work is done by friction?

W_g = (7.06x10³N)(10m) = 7.06x10⁴J

W_f = (-7.06x10³N)(10m) = -7.06x10⁴J

 

[PhanthomJay]

OK, after relooking at my book what I thought was an F_s was actually an Fs, so W = Fscos\theta. Can I assume that s and d are the same thing?








W_g = (7.06x10³N)(10m) = 7.06x10⁴J

W_f = (-7.06x10³N)(10m) = -7.06x10⁴J

Yes, yes, and yes to all. Now please study up on the definition of work...don't blindly copy a formula out of a book without trying to understand the theory.