Divisibility Challenge: Find Smallest Integer for $f(x)$

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the smallest integer \( a \) such that the polynomial \( f(x) = 5x^{13}+13x^5+9\cdot a \cdot x \) is divisible by 65 for every integer \( x \). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and modular arithmetic.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that \( 65 \) divides \( f(x) \) if both \( 5 \) and \( 13 \) divide \( f(x) \), leading to modular considerations.
  • Another participant derives conditions for \( a \) based on modular arithmetic, concluding \( a \equiv 3 \) (mod 5) and \( a \equiv 11 \) (mod 13).
  • Using the Chinese Remainder Theorem, a participant calculates \( a \equiv 63 \) (mod 65) and discusses the implications of positive and negative values for \( a \).
  • A later reply clarifies that the original intent was to find the smallest positive integer \( a \), acknowledging the previous findings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the modular conditions for \( a \) but initially disagree on whether the smallest integer sought should be positive or could include negative values. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of "smallest" in this context.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependency on modular arithmetic and the assumptions made regarding the values of \( x \) in relation to the primes involved. There is also ambiguity regarding the definition of "smallest" in the context of integers.

lfdahl
Gold Member
MHB
Messages
747
Reaction score
0
Let $f(x) = 5x^{13}+13x^5+9\cdot a \cdot x$

Find the smallest possible integer, $a$, such that $65$ divides $f(x)$ for every integer $x$.
 
Mathematics news on Phys.org
Finally, some abstract algebra pays off!

[sp]First of all, note that $65|(5x^{13}+13x^5 + 9ax) \iff 5|(5x^{13}+13x^5 + 9ax)$ and $13|(5x^{13}+13x^5 + 9ax)$.

This suggests looking at the given polynomial mod 5 and mod 13.

Mod 5 we have:

$3x^5 + 4ax = 0$ (since we want 5 to divide the expression on the left).

$x(3x^4 + 4a) = 0$

Since $x$ can be some integer co-prime to 5, we will assume $x \neq 0$ (mod 5). Thus:

$3x^4 + 4a = 3 + 4a = 0$, that is:

$4a = 2$ (mod 5) so that:

$a = 3$ (mod 5).

Mod 13 we have:

$5x^{13} + 9ax = 0$ (since we want the expression on the left to be divisible by 13), thus:

$x(5x^{12} + 9a) = 0$. Again, we may assume $x \neq 0$ (mod 13), so we have:

$5x ^{12} + 9a = 5 + 9a = 0$ thus:

$9a = 8$ (mod 13), so that:

$a = 11$ (mod 13).

Since 5 and 13 are prime, we can apply the Chinese Remainder theorem to obtain:

$a = (3)(13)[13^{-1}]_5 + 11(5)[5^{-1}]_{13} = (3)(13)(2) + (11)(5)(8) = 78 + 440 = 518 = 65*7 + 63 = 63$ (mod 65).

Depending on if you meant:

the smallest POSITIVE value for $a$, we obtain: $a = 63$

the smallest absolute value for $a$, we obtain $a = -2$

there is no "smallest" such $a$ given the usual ordering of the real numbers, since the set of solutions contains infinitely many negative integers.[/sp]
 
Last edited:
$f(x) = x(5x^{12} + 13x^4 + 9a)$
x can be factored out so 65 should divide $5x^{12} + 13x^4 + 9a$

65 = 13 * 5

So taking mod 5 we have $13x^4\, + 9a\, mod\, 5 = 0$
It is true for any x so take x co-prime to 5 so we have x^4 = 1

So we get 13 + 9a mod 5 = 0 or 3 – a mod 5 = 0 or a = 3 mod 5

Similarly we have $5x^{12} + 9a \,mod \,13 = 0$ or 5 + 9a mod 13 = 0 or a = 11 mod 13

a = 3 mod 5 and a = 11 mod 13 can be solved by using chinees remainder theorem also but we see that
a = -2 mod 5 and a = -2 mod 13 so a = -2 mod 65 or 63
a = 63 + 65n and a = 63 is the lowest positive integer
 
Last edited:
Thankyou and well done Deveno and kaliprasad for your thorough and correct answers.
You´re absolutely right, Deveno, I should have pointed out, that it is the smallest positive integer a, I was looking for.

Solution by other:

\[f(x)\equiv 0 \: \: \: (mod\: \: \: 65)\\\\ 5\cdot x^{13}+13\cdot x^5+9\cdot a\cdot x \equiv 0 \: \: \: (mod\: \: \: 65)\\\\\]

Applying "Fermats little theorem":

\[5\cdot x^{13}\equiv 5x \: \:\: (mod\: \: \: 65)\\\\ 13\cdot x^{5}\equiv 13x \: \:\: (mod\: \: \: 65)\\\\\]
\[5x + 13x + 9ax \equiv 0 \: \:\: (mod\: \: \: 65)\\\\ 9x(2+a)\equiv 0\: \:\: (mod\: \: \: 65)\\\\\]
Thus
$$2+a\equiv 0\: \:\: (mod\: \: \: 65) \Rightarrow a = 63$$
 

Similar threads

Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
29K
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
6
Views
1K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K