Division by Zero: Is it Defined?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of division by zero, specifically examining whether expressions involving division by zero are defined and the implications of such definitions in mathematical contexts. Participants explore the behavior of functions at points where division by zero occurs, including theoretical and practical considerations.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that division by zero is undefined, regardless of the numerator, and argue that assuming otherwise leads to contradictions.
  • There is a discussion about the expression \( x = \frac{x^3}{x} \) and whether it is valid at \( x = 0 \), with some suggesting that it is a removable singularity.
  • Participants note that when writing equations, it is important to specify conditions such as \( x \neq 0 \) to avoid ambiguity, although some argue that this is often implicitly understood in context.
  • One participant points out that textbooks sometimes omit the condition \( x \neq 0 \) in expressions like \( \frac{x^n}{x^m} = x^{n-m} \), questioning whether this is a lack of rigor.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of clarity in mathematical writing, suggesting that while some details may seem nit-picky, they can be crucial for understanding.
  • There is a contention regarding the necessity of stating conditions for functions, with some arguing that context makes certain conditions self-evident, while others advocate for explicit definitions to avoid confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of specifying conditions in mathematical expressions, and whether division by zero can be considered in certain contexts. No consensus is reached on these points.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the nuances of mathematical definitions and the importance of context in interpreting expressions, particularly around points of discontinuity or undefined behavior.

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Hi.
x2 = x3 / x but x2 is defined for all x and equals zero at x=0 but what happens for x3 / x at x=o ? Is it defined at x=o ? Does it equal zero ? If not what is causing this anomaly ?
Thanks
 
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N/0 is undefined regardless of N. If you assume otherwise, you can prove n=m where n and m are any arbitrary and different numbers.
 
dyn said:
Hi.
x2 = x3 / x but x2 is defined for all x and equals zero at x=0 but what happens for x3 / x at x=o ? Is it defined at x=o ? Does it equal zero ? If not what is causing this anomaly ?
Thanks
##x \longmapsto x ## is everywhere continuous, ##x\longmapsto \dfrac{x^3}{x^2}## is not; at ##x=0\,.##

Although this is a removable singularity, it still is one, a gap. Algebraically division by zero isn't defined, simply because zero isn't part of any multiplicative group. The question never arises. It's like discussing the height of an apple tree on the moon.
 
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When people write ## x = \frac {x^3}{x}## with no restriction that ## x \ne 0 ##, they are being (understandably) careless. The proper way is to keep track of all those divisions by zero and make sure that the results are still legitimate when the simplified equations are used. Otherwise, rule those points out. In physical applications, the continuity and nice behavior of the reduced formula, ##x##, at 0 makes it likely to also be valid at that point (##x = 0##).
 
So x = x3 / x2 is not a correct statement on its own ? It needs the addition of the statement " x not equal to 0 " ?
I have seen the following statement in textbooks " xn / xm = xn-m " with no mention of " x not equal to 0 ". Are they just being lazy and missing out the " x not equal to 0 " statement ?
 
dyn said:
So x = x3 / x2 is not a correct statement on its own ? It needs the addition of the statement " x not equal to 0 " ?
Strictly, yes. But as it isn't defined for ##x=0## it is implicitly clear. As long as you don't want to write unnecessary additional lines, just leave it. Who writes ##x\geq 0## if he uses ##\sqrt{x}\,?## This is simply self-evident, resp. clear by context. But logically, the domain of ##x## needs to be mentioned in general, such that we know what the function really is. But in your post it was pretty clear what you meant even without it.
I have seen the following statement in textbooks " xn / xm = xn-m " with no mention of " x not equal to 0 ". Are they just being lazy and missing out the " x not equal to 0 " statement ?
See above. It is simply not necessary as long as you don't write a book on logic. It's like mocking about a Pizza guy not telling you it's hot. However, if you talk about specific functions, you better say where and how they are defined. E.g. you could define
$$f(x) = \begin{cases}\dfrac{x^3}{x^2} \,&,\, x\neq 0 \\ 0\,&\,,x=0\end{cases}$$
or simply
$$
f(x)= \dfrac{x^3}{x^2}\; , \;x\neq 0
$$
which will be two different functions. So as always with written things, it depends on what you want to express. In post #1 and the example you gave it isn't necessary. Mocking about it is nit-picking.
 
Thank you for your replies.
I want to point out that I wasn't mocking about it ; I just wanted clarity. A lot of time some parts of maths seem like nit-picking to me but as plenty of people on here point out the finer points can be important.
 
fresh_42 said:
Who writes ##x\geq 0## if he uses ##\sqrt x##? This is simply self-evident, resp. clear by context.
I think that should be stated more carefully. Certainly, if ##x = -y^2+y+5## one would not use ##\sqrt {x}## without specifying that ##-y^2+y+5 = x \ge 0 ## and determining what the corresponding valid values of ##y## are.
 

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