DIY large aperture optical comparator

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of creating a DIY large aperture optical comparator for measuring and inspecting larger parts, particularly for applications like making form-fitting foam inserts. Participants explore various optical principles, challenges related to perspective, and potential low-cost solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using Fresnel lenses and LED light to create a low-cost optical comparator, highlighting the issue of perspective distortion in photography.
  • Another participant notes that traditional optical comparators are effective only for items smaller than the optical collimation lenses and suggests that larger items may require a 2D measuring machine.
  • A different viewpoint proposes adding optics between the object and the comparator to reduce the image size, while acknowledging that this would still face perspective challenges.
  • It is mentioned that optical comparators are most effective for measuring distances on a plane, and some setups utilize projection screens with outlines of parts to mitigate perspective issues.
  • One participant points out that using a video camera and a large display could reduce costs, but emphasizes the need for calibration due to lens imperfections.
  • Another participant states that the magnification of an optical comparator enhances the effective resolution to about 1 μm and compares it to a go/no-go gauge, while also noting the importance of stable temperatures for accurate measurements of large objects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality and design of a DIY optical comparator, with no consensus reached on the best approach or solution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the effectiveness of proposed methods and the challenges posed by perspective distortion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the size of objects being measured, the necessity of calibration, and the impact of temperature stability on measurement accuracy. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical or technical complexities involved in creating a functional optical comparator.

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Hi. In machine shops optical comparators have been used for a really long time to measure and inspect complex and usually small parts. But they are usually for small parts and they are usually really expensive machines. How can i do this for cheap for larger parts like for example for making form fitting foam inserts for cases? I know you can simply take a photo of the object against a uniform background but the trouble with that is perspective. Where closer objects gets larger, and objects further away get smaller. And this problem get worse the closer the camera is to the object being photographed, and it is not very practical to take photos really far away with telephoto lenses just to get rid of this effect. While a optical comparator collimates the light so there is no optical perspective problem.

Can this be done at a low cost with for example some Fresnell lenses and a LED light?

This is how it is traditionally done:

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The optical comparator can be used where the item being measured is smaller than the optical collimation lenses employed. For articles that are too large for that, you must use a 2D measuring machine.
 
Baluncore said:
The optical comparator can be used where the item being measured is smaller than the optical collimation lenses employed. For articles that are too large for that, you must use a 2D measuring machine.
Or possibly add some optics between the object and the comparator to create a smaller image. However you still have the same perspective problem with the new optics vis-a-vis the workpiece.

In general, even comparators do best when measuring distances on a plane. I have seen installations where the comparator projection screen that you are viewing has the outline of the part drawn on it. This can compensate for the perspective problem of 3D parts.

And to decrease the system cost, you can use a video camera, a large display, and the camera lens can be whatever suits the application. And because no lenses are perfect, you then have to calibrate the system.

Cheers,
Tom
 
The magnification of an optical comparator increases the effective resolution of the human eye to about 1 μm. The optical comparator is then equivalent to a go/no-go gauge.
For the accurate measurement of large objects, stable temperatures are more important than magnification.
 

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