Do All Electrons in a Molecular Orbital Share the Same Magnetic Quantum Number?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of molecular orbitals (MO) in the context of computational quantum chemistry, specifically focusing on the magnetic quantum numbers of electrons within these orbitals. Participants explore whether all electrons in a given MO share the same magnetic quantum number and the implications of this for different molecules, such as N2 and O2.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether all electrons in a molecular orbital (MO) must have the same magnetic quantum number, citing the lack of dependence on the magnetic quantum number in the Linear Combination Atomic Orbitals (LCAO) formulation.
  • Another participant notes that magnetic quantum numbers can range from -L to L, suggesting that electrons can indeed have a magnetic quantum number of -1.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the specific magnetic quantum numbers for the electrons in N2 and O2, questioning why all electrons in N2 would have m=0 while in O2 they would have m=1.
  • One participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the number of electrons being discussed, clarifying that they were referring to the Highest Occupied Molecular Orbital (HOMO).
  • Another participant expresses familiarity with the concept of magnetic quantum numbers but seeks a deeper understanding of the rules or laws governing molecular symmetries.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether all electrons in a molecular orbital must share the same magnetic quantum number, and multiple competing views remain regarding the implications of magnetic quantum numbers in different molecular contexts.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the dependence of magnetic quantum numbers on molecular symmetry and the specific cases of different molecules. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical or theoretical underpinnings of these claims.

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I have one question about wave functions and molecular orbitals (MO). In the computational quantum chemistry scientists often use Linear Combination Atomic Orbitals (LCAO) to construct MO.

\varphi_{i\lambda\alpha}(\vec{r})=<br /> \sum\limits_{p=1}^{N}\chi_{p\lambda\alpha}(\vec{r})<br /> C_{i\lambda p},
where
\chi_{p\lambda\alpha}(\vec{r})=2^{-1/2}<br /> \left[\chi_{n_{\lambda p} l_{\lambda p}m_{\lambda\alpha}}(\vec{r}_{A})<br /> +\sigma_{\lambda}\chi_{n_{\lambda p} l_{\lambda p}m_{\lambda\alpha}}(\vec{r}_{B})\right].

Here \chi_{n_{\lambda p} l_{\lambda p}m_{\lambda\alpha}}(\vec{r}_{J}) (J=A,B) are the usual Slater-type functions (STF-s) centered on A and B, respectively. \lambda is the symmetry species (\textrm{for example } \sigma or \pi) and \alpha (for example g or u) is the subspecies of symmetry \lambda.

Note, that in the above sum's there is no dependence m_{\lambda\alpha}
from p!?

The question is: Does it means that in some MO (\sigma or \pi, for example) all electrons must have the same magnetic quantum number? Why is that?
Is there some symmetry, some rule, some law or some common property for all electrons in the same MO.

In some papers I have found that for LCAO molecule N_{2} all electrons have
m=0 while in the case of molecule O_{2} m=1. Why is that? Is it possible that some electrons have m=-1?

If somebody have any sugestions about this question, I will be very appreciate.

Regards
 
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I have absolutely no idea at all about computational chemistry or STFs I'm afraid... (which I think is what may have put a lot of physicists off trying to answer!)
What I can tell you is that magnetic quantum numbers can range over the integers (-L, L) where L is the orbital quantum number, so yes electrons can have a magnetic moment of minus one. See here for a little more info, or google 'magnetic quantum numbers'.
 
grunf said:
I have one question about wave functions and molecular orbitals (MO). In the computational quantum chemistry scientists often use Linear Combination Atomic Orbitals (LCAO) to construct MO.

\varphi_{i\lambda\alpha}(\vec{r})=<br /> \sum\limits_{p=1}^{N}\chi_{p\lambda\alpha}(\vec{r})<br /> C_{i\lambda p},
where
\chi_{p\lambda\alpha}(\vec{r})=2^{-1/2}<br /> \left[\chi_{n_{\lambda p} l_{\lambda p}m_{\lambda\alpha}}(\vec{r}_{A})<br /> +\sigma_{\lambda}\chi_{n_{\lambda p} l_{\lambda p}m_{\lambda\alpha}}(\vec{r}_{B})\right].

Here \chi_{n_{\lambda p} l_{\lambda p}m_{\lambda\alpha}}(\vec{r}_{J}) (J=A,B) are the usual Slater-type functions (STF-s) centered on A and B, respectively. \lambda is the symmetry species (\textrm{for example } \sigma or \pi) and \alpha (for example g or u) is the subspecies of symmetry \lambda.

Note, that in the above sum's there is no dependence m_{\lambda\alpha}
from p!?

The question is: Does it means that in some MO (\sigma or \pi, for example) all electrons must have the same magnetic quantum number? Why is that?
Is there some symmetry, some rule, some law or some common property for all electrons in the same MO.

In some papers I have found that for LCAO molecule N_{2} all electrons have
m=0

all? really? All fourteen electrons? :wink:

while in the case of molecule O_{2} m=1. Why is that? Is it possible that some electrons have m=-1?

If somebody have any sugestions about this question, I will be very appreciate.

Regards
 
olgranpappy said:
all? really? All fourteen electrons? :wink:

I was quite unaccurate. In this case I was thinking on the electron in the Highest Ocuppied Molecular Orbital (HOMO). My mistake :frown:
 
muppet said:
I have absolutely no idea at all about computational chemistry or STFs I'm afraid... (which I think is what may have put a lot of physicists off trying to answer!)
What I can tell you is that magnetic quantum numbers can range over the integers (-L, L) where L is the orbital quantum number, so yes electrons can have a magnetic moment of minus one. See here for a little more info, or google 'magnetic quantum numbers'.

Thanx for the tips. I already know that. I am sure that is the key in the some molecular symmetries, but I am not sure. I am looking for some rule, law... Thanx again
 

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