Do any coordinate systems include self magnification?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of self-magnification in neutron stars and whether any coordinate systems can account for this phenomenon. Participants explore the implications of gravitational effects on the perception of size and visibility of neutron stars from different vantage points, including the center and surface of the star, as well as from a distant observer's perspective.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a neutron star's surface appears larger to distant observers due to gravitational self-magnification, suggesting that this effect also occurs at the center of the star, albeit unseen.
  • It is noted that from the center of a neutron star, one could theoretically occupy 360 degrees of view, similar to the center of Earth, while from the surface, the view is limited to 180 degrees.
  • Some argue that a distant observer could see more than 50% of the neutron star's surface, challenging conventional views of visibility based on horizon limits.
  • Participants describe scenarios where an observer at the equator of a neutron star could see a wide array of constellations simultaneously, suggesting that the gravitational effects would alter the apparent positions of stars in the sky.
  • There are descriptions of how the motion of stars would appear from the surface of a neutron star, including non-circular paths and prolonged daylight periods, which could lead to phenomena like white nights.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the visibility and perception of neutron stars, with no clear consensus on the implications of self-magnification or the validity of proposed coordinate systems. The discussion remains unresolved with competing ideas presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the nature of gravitational effects, the definitions of visibility, and the mathematical modeling of coordinate systems in relation to neutron stars. These aspects are not fully explored or agreed upon.

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Take a neutron star, its surface will be gravitationally self magnified so that it looks bigger to the distant observer, than it 'really' is, plus you can see some of the rear facing surface.

If you take the centre of the neutron star, then this process must go on there also, although unseen.

I was wondering if any coordinate system incorporated this process, say by building the shape of space from the inside of the neutron star, outwards, as the distant observer might 'see' it..?
 
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DarkStar42 said:
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If you take the centre of the neutron star, then this process must go on there also, although unseen...
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From the center of the neutron star the neutron star occupies 360 degrees same as center of Earth. From the surface of the neutron star the neutron star occupies 180 degrees same as surface of Earth. You could see stars that should be over the horizon.
 
stefan r said:
From the center of the neutron star the neutron star occupies 360 degrees same as center of Earth. From the surface of the neutron star the neutron star occupies 180 degrees same as surface of Earth. You could see stars that should be over the horizon.

a distant observer can see more than 50% of the neutron star's surface.

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DarkStar42 said:
a distant observer can see more than 50% of the neutron star's surface.

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That picture is nice. An observer on that equator would see 180 degrees of neutron star and 180 degrees (180° by 360°) of space same as an observer on Earth.

The sky would include more than 180 degrees of the constellations. Suppose the neutron star was near Earth and spinning on Earth's axis. An observer at the surface equator would be able to see both the southern cross and Polaris. A time-lapse photo would show non-circular rings around Polaris. Orion and Taurus could be visible on one horizon while both Lyra and Bootes were still visible on the other. When a star set it would rise on the other horizon in much less than a day. Orion would be thin at rising, get fat while overhead and then tighten his belt before setting. It would still look like a 180 degree dome. If the Sun was in orbit then it would be daylight for much more than half the day even at the equator at equinox. You would get white nights at mid latitudes during the summers.
 

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