Do CI and MWI Interpret Quantum Probabilities Differently?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interpretation of quantum probabilities in the context of the Copenhagen Interpretation (CI) and the Many-Worlds Interpretation (MWI) of quantum mechanics. Participants explore how these interpretations handle the probabilities associated with quantum states, particularly in relation to a photon passing through polarization filters.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that in CI, the probability reflects the factual state of the photon after passing through the filters, while in MWI, both the photon being in eigenstate M2 and its perpendicular state exist in different worlds.
  • Others argue that the interpretation of "occurring" in MWI is problematic, questioning whether events in unobservable worlds can be considered as having actually occurred.
  • A participant suggests that the probability of outcomes in MWI can be viewed as 100% across all worlds, while in a single world, the probability remains 50% for each filter.
  • Another participant challenges the lottery analogy used to explain MWI, suggesting that a better analogy might be biological twins, who exist independently but share a common origin, thus raising questions about the probability of individual traits.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of MWI for quantum probabilities, with no consensus reached on whether MWI contradicts the probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics or how to interpret the concept of "occurring" in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of interpreting probabilities in quantum mechanics, noting that assumptions about observability and the nature of events in different interpretations remain unresolved.

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Suppose we fire a photon P at a polarisation filter F1, and it passes the filter, thus forcing the polarisation of P in an eigenstate M1. Subsequently, the photon falls through a polarisation filter F2, forcing P in eigenstate M2.

Now, if I understand correctly, the probability of P passing F2, thus becoming in eigenstate M2 when in known eigenstate M1, can be exactly determined by the relative settings of F1 and F2.

So, we have P passing F2 with a known probability. Now, In CI the probability represents the factual state of P (M2 or the perpendicular to M2), while MWI allows for both M2 and perpendicular to M2. So, it seems as if in MWI both eigenstates (M2 and the perpendicular) both have a probability of 100% of occurring, only in two different worlds. So, it seems as if MWI contradicts the probabilistic nature of QM?

What is the explanation for this?
 
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What do you mean by "occurring"? Suppose I flip a coin and it comes up heads. Do you think that the fact that MWI says that it came up tails in another "world" which is completely unobservable to us means that the event of coming up tails actually "occurred"?
 
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phyzguy said:
What do you mean by "occurring"? Suppose I flip a coin and it comes up heads. Do you think that the fact that MWI says that it came up tails in another "world" which is completely unobservable to us means that the event of coming up tails actually "occurred"?

Yes, at least, that's the way I understood the interpretation of MWI.
 
100% probability of occurring if you take all -four- "worlds" into account. Same probability of occurring in only one "world", 50% for each filter.

QM probabilistic predictions only apply to one "world".
 
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entropy1 said:
Suppose we fire a photon P at a polarisation filter F1, and it passes the filter, thus forcing the polarisation of P in an eigenstate M1. Subsequently, the photon falls through a polarisation filter F2, forcing P in eigenstate M2.

Now, if I understand correctly, the probability of P passing F2, thus becoming in eigenstate M2 when in known eigenstate M1, can be exactly determined by the relative settings of F1 and F2.

So, we have P passing F2 with a known probability. Now, In CI the probability represents the factual state of P (M2 or the perpendicular to M2), while MWI allows for both M2 and perpendicular to M2. So, it seems as if in MWI both eigenstates (M2 and the perpendicular) both have a probability of 100% of occurring, only in two different worlds. So, it seems as if MWI contradicts the probabilistic nature of QM?

What is the explanation for this?

Here's an analogy: You buy a lottery ticket. You have a one in 50,000,000 chance of winning the big prize. But on the other hand, you know that it is certain that somebody wins it.

Probability is consistent with absolute certainty, if you have lots of observers involved.
 
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Lottery is not a good analogy for MWI, because in lottery most of players do not win at all.

A much better analogy is biological twins. They are created by a cell splitting, after which two beings exist independently. They are almost identical, but differ in some minor details. For instance, one of them is slightly fatter than the other one. Then, if you have a twin brother, you may ask yourself what is the probability that you are the fatter one.
 

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