Do emission nebula glow because of ionised or excited electrons?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the mechanisms behind the glow of emission nebulae, specifically whether this glow is due to ionized electrons or excited electrons. Participants explore the processes involved in the ionization of hydrogen by ultraviolet radiation from massive stars and the subsequent emission of visible light as electrons transition between energy levels.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that ultraviolet light from massive stars ionizes nearby hydrogen, leading to the emission of visible light when electrons recombine with ions and drop to lower energy levels.
  • One participant suggests that the glow is primarily due to excited electrons, as they transition from higher to lower energy levels, emitting photons in the process.
  • Another participant clarifies that while electrons are involved in the process, it is the atoms that emit light as electrons drop to lower energy states, not the electrons themselves.
  • There is mention of the H-alpha line being significant in this context, as it occurs during the ionization of hydrogen and is associated with specific electron transitions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the basic physics of ionization and electron transitions, but there is some confusion regarding the roles of ionized versus excited electrons in the emission of light. The discussion reflects differing interpretations of these processes without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the terminology and concepts related to ionization and electron excitation, indicating a need for clearer definitions and explanations of these processes.

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Do emission nebulae glow because of ionized electrons or excited ones?
I'm trying to figure out why emission nebulae glow.

I read various sites such as a NASA website explaining why they shine;

'The massive stars embedded within the nebula give off enormous amounts of ultraviolet radiation, ionizing the gas and causing it to shine.'

The Britanica article on emission nebula says;

'It was found that ultraviolet light from the star ionizes nearby hydrogen. The hydrogen atoms emit visible light after the electrons and nuclei recombine and the atoms drop to lower energy levels.'

My understanding is that we cannot see recombining ionised electrons in hydrogen, only those of the Balmer series which are only 'excited' electrons.

Wouldn't any electrons excited or ionized by UV simply reemmit emr in the ultraviolet again which we can't see?

Just fyi, I am just an astronomy enthusiast and real technical language and maths I probably won't get.

I'd appreciate any help
 
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The electron often cascades downwards, transitioning from higher to lower energy levels like a ball bouncing down the stairs. From wiki's article on hydrogen alpha:

In the new atom, the electron may begin in any energy level, and subsequently cascades to the ground state (n = 1), emitting photons with each transition. Approximately half the time, this cascade will include the n = 3 to n = 2 transition and the atom will emit H-alpha light. Therefore, the H-alpha line occurs where hydrogen is being ionized.
 
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Greetings,
Nathi ORea said:
Summary:: Do emission nebulae glow because of ionized electrons or excited ones?

'It was found that ultraviolet light from the star ionizes nearby hydrogen. The hydrogen atoms emit visible light after the electrons and nuclei recombine and the atoms drop to lower energy levels.'
That is the correct physics. The gas is first ionized by the hot star. The resultant ion and a free electron recombine to form an atom in an excited electronic state. That excited state finally emits a photon as the excited atom decays to its ground state.

It appears that you are confused about a basic principle. The electrons do not emit light. The light is given off by an atom and the bound electron drops to a lower energy state.

This article from Scholarpedia may be of interest: Planetary nebulaeES
 
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Drakkith said:
The electron often cascades downwards, transitioning from higher to lower energy levels like a ball bouncing down the stairs. From wiki's article on hydrogen alpha:

In the new atom, the electron may begin in any energy level, and subsequently cascades to the ground state (n = 1), emitting photons with each transition. Approximately half the time, this cascade will include the n = 3 to n = 2 transition and the atom will emit H-alpha light. Therefore, the H-alpha line occurs where hydrogen is being ionized.
Thanks so much. That makes sense!
I love the analogy of the ball bouncing down stairs!
thank you
 
EigenState137 said:
Greetings,

That is the correct physics. The gas is first ionized by the hot star. The resultant ion and a free electron recombine to form an atom in an excited electronic state. That excited state finally emits a photon as the excited atom decays to its ground state.

It appears that you are confused about a basic principle. The electrons do not emit light. The light is given off by an atom and the bound electron drops to a lower energy state.

This article from Scholarpedia may be of interest: Planetary nebulaeES
Yes! Thank you!
I get it… the electron goes back to ground state (or I think n2 because of Balmer series) in stages.

Appreciate it
 

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