Do Equations of the Form P(x,y)dx+Q(x,y)dy=0 Always Have an Integrating Factor?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the existence of integrating factors for differential equations of the form P(x,y)dx + Q(x,y)dy = 0. Participants explore the conditions under which integrating factors exist and the challenges associated with finding them, focusing on theoretical aspects and practical implications.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants mention that equations of the form P(x,y)dx + Q(x,y)dy = 0 are said to always have at least one integrating factor, although the proof is not provided.
  • One participant suggests that knowing a solution of the differential equation dy/dx - P/Q can help in finding an integrating factor, but acknowledges that finding the integrating factor can be as challenging as solving the differential equation itself.
  • Another participant reiterates the claim about the existence of integrating factors and highlights the difficulty in finding one, referencing the necessary condition involving partial derivatives.
  • There is a recognition that sometimes it may be easier to obtain a solution to the differential equation than to find the integrating factor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the proof of the existence of integrating factors and acknowledge the challenges in finding them. There is no consensus on the ease of finding integrating factors versus solving the differential equation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion touches on the existence theorem for solutions to first-order differential equations, but lacks a formal proof or resolution of the claims made about integrating factors.

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During one lecture it was mentioned that equations of the form P(x,y)dx+Q(x,y)dy=0 always have at least one integrating factor. But the lecturer didn't know the proof, I've tried using Google but no luck. Anybody can show me the proof? Thanks a lot.
 
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If you know a solution of the differential equation dy/dx -P/Q, you can use that to find an integrating factor. Or, if you know an integrating factor you can solve the DE. Sometimes it is easy to find an integrating factor. But usually it is just as hard as solving the DE.
In any case, what you are looking for is just the existence theorem for solutions to a first-order DE.
 
kof9595995 said:
During one lecture it was mentioned that equations of the form P(x,y)dx+Q(x,y)dy=0 always have at least one integrating factor. But the lecturer didn't know the proof, I've tried using Google but no luck. Anybody can show me the proof? Thanks a lot.

If it is true that there always exist the integrating [tex]\mu(x)[/tex], finding one is not easy. We need to solve
[tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial y}\mu(x,y)P(x,y) = \frac{\partial}{\partial x}\mu(x,y)Q(x,y)[/tex]

I agree with g_edgar sometime it just easier to obtain the solution compare to finding the integrating factor.
 
g_edgar said:
If you know a solution of the differential equation dy/dx -P/Q, you can use that to find an integrating factor. Or, if you know an integrating factor you can solve the DE. Sometimes it is easy to find an integrating factor. But usually it is just as hard as solving the DE.
In any case, what you are looking for is just the existence theorem for solutions to a first-order DE.
Well, thanks man.It seems to be a easy transformation of the question, why didn't I think this way? Kind of embarrassing.
 

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