Do high energy collisions ever produce new, stable matter?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on whether high-energy collisions can produce new, stable matter, specifically focusing on the creation of stable particles like protons and antiprotons from photon energy or other baryons. Participants explore theoretical implications, experimental observations, and specific particle production processes in high-energy physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that stable matter is produced in high-energy collisions, referencing processes like electron-positron pair production.
  • Others inquire about the production of protons or antiprotons from gamma rays or other baryons, questioning whether the colliding nucleus remains unchanged or loses nucleons.
  • One participant mentions that all produced particles eventually decay into stable particles, with some stable particles potentially created in the initial collision.
  • Specific equations and references are provided, including the conservation of baryon number and measurements from experiments like LEP and ALICE regarding proton and antibaryon production.
  • Participants express varying levels of familiarity with technical notation and data sources, indicating a need for clearer references or explanations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that high-energy collisions can produce new particles, but there is no consensus on the specifics of stable matter production, particularly regarding the role of gamma rays and the fate of the colliding nucleus.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on complex particle interactions and conservation laws, with participants noting limitations in their understanding of technical notation and data interpretation.

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This discussion may be useful for those interested in high-energy physics, particle production mechanisms, and the implications of particle interactions in experimental settings.

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The title says it all. I'm contrasting "stable matter" with short-lived particles that quickly decay into something else. (The E=mc2 equation implies that it's possible, but in terms of stable matter, I'm familiar only with it being destroyed, say, in nuclear explosions.) Are ordinary (stable) electrons/positrons or nucleons ever created de novo this way?
 
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Sure. All the time.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Sure. All the time.

Can you give me a reference? Even a textbook would be fine. (Honestly, I did do a google search, and read through some Wikipedia articles on high energy physics, particle accelerators, etc., to no avail, prior to posting this question.)
 
The PDG (pdg.lbl.gov) has tables upon tables on how often protons (to pick one example) are produced in various collisions.
 
All produced particles decay to stable particles after a while (and with the exception of neutrons, within microseconds or less). Some decay to just photons, but all other end up producing electrons, neutrinos and protons and/or their antiparticles.
Some stable particles are produced in the initial collision as well.
 
Thanks, folks. The electron-positron pairs were nice, especially with some being produced from x-ray energy. I couldn't fathom the notation of the Particle Data Group tables, though.

Please permit me to refine my question a bit.

Are protons (or antiprotons) ever produced from gamma rays, or anything other than other baryons? The Wikipedia article on antiprotons gives this equation for their formation in cosmic ray proton collisions with nuclei:
p + A → p+ p +p+ A
(the middle "p" is supposed to have a line over the top of it, indicating the antimatter version of the proton, but, not knowing how to do that here, I underlined it instead). But I'd like to know if the nucleus (A) the high energy proton collides with is the same afterward (thus acting merely as a catalyst), or if it has two less nucleons (one for each of the new nucleons).

In other words, do we ever see baryons arising de novo from photon energy in the lab?
 
##e^- + e^+ \to p + \bar{p} (+X) ## is possible, for example. Together with the proton, an antibaryon has to be produced due to baryon number conservation.
LEP (DELPHI) publication talking about proton production

##\gamma + X \to p + \bar{p} +X'## is possible, too.
LEP (L3) measurement of proton-production, where photons as intermediate states are discussed.

Heavy ion collisions produce many new baryons and antibaryons.
Pion, Kaon, and Proton Production measured at ALICE. A central lead-lead-collision at LHC energies produces (on average) >10 protons/antiprotons (more like ~100) if my estimate based on figure 1 is correct.
 
Thanks, mfb! And, I now also know how to produce a ## \bar{p} ##. ;-)
 

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