Do I need induction to prove that this sequence is monotonic?

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The discussion centers on proving that a bounded above sequence, defined as ##(x_n)##, is monotonic without the need for mathematical induction. The sequence's supremum, denoted as $$y_n = \sup\{x_j | j \geq n\}$$, is shown to be monotone decreasing, as established by the relationship $$y_{n+1} \leq y_n$$ for all natural numbers ##n##. The proof relies on the properties of supremum, specifically that if ##A \subseteq B##, then $$\sup A \leq \sup B$$, confirming that induction is unnecessary for this result.

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If i'm proving ##y_n = \sup\{x_j | j \geq n\}## is decreasing, can this be done without invoking mathematical induction?
I think the initial assumptions would allow me to prove this without induction.

Suppose ##(x_n)## is a real sequence that is bounded above. Define $$ y_n = \sup\{x_j | j \geq n\}.$$

Let ##n \in \mathbb{N}##. Then for all ##j \in \mathbb{N}## such that ##j \geq n + 1 > n##
$$ x_{j} \leq y_n.$$ So, ##y_n## is an upper bounded of ##(x_j)_{j=n+1}^\infty##. By definition, ##y_{n+1}## is the least upper bound of ##(x_j)_{j=n+1}^\infty##, so
$$y_{n+1} \leq y_n.$$ Since ##n## was chosen arbitrarily, this proves ##y_n## is monotone decreasing.

Am I correct that the using the supremum's definition makes using the induction principle suprifilous for this result?
 
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Your proof is correct and your observations as well. You don't need mathematical induction here. The following is the general situation that you applied: $$\emptyset \neq A \subseteq B \implies \sup A \leq \sup B$$

This is rather straightforward to prove (essentially the same proof you gave): If ##\sup B = +\infty##, there is nothing to prove. So we may assume that ##\sup B < +\infty##. Recall that ##\sup B## is by definition an upperbound for all elements in ##B##, thus also for all elements of ##A## because ##A \subseteq B##. By definition of supremum, we must have ##\sup A \leq \sup B## (##\sup A## is the smallest upper bound for ##A## and ##\sup B## is an upper bound for ##A##).

Since, ##\{x_j: j \geq n\} \supseteq \{x_j: j \geq n+1\}##, this will allow you to conclude that ##y_n \geq y_{n+1}##, which is what you want.
 

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