Do (L^2)op and (Lz)op Commute?

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The discussion centers on the commutation of angular momentum operators in quantum mechanics, specifically (L^2)op and (Lz)op. It is established that while (Lx)op and (Ly)op do not commute, they satisfy the relation (Lx)op(Ly)op - (Ly)op(Lx)op = i(hbar)(Lz)op. The user Andrew incorrectly attempted to express Lz in terms of Lx and Ly without including the necessary factor of 1/(i hbar), leading to confusion regarding the commutation of (L^2)op and (Lz)op. The correct approach involves maintaining the imaginary unit i to ensure proper cancellation in calculations.

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It has been shown that the operators (Lx)op and (Ly)op do not commute but satisfy the following equation:

(Lx)op(Ly)op - (Ly)op(Lx)op = i(hbar)(Lz)op

(a) Use this relation and the two similar equations obtained by cycling the coordinate labels to show that (L2)op(Lz)op = (Lz)op(L2)op, that is, these two operators commute. [Hint: You do not need to introduce the differential formulas for the operators. Use the fact that (AB)C = A(BC) where A, B, and C are operators]


The question continues, but this is the part I am having trouble with.



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My attempted solution is attached (Scan0004.jpg). I work it out, but I'm going wrong somewhere as I'm finding that they do not commute as they should.



Thank you in advance for any help!

Andrew
 

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This is a rather convoluted way to do this, so I'm not going to try to pick apart all of it. But I can tell you that you have a significant error in the very first three lines. You have attempted to set

L_z = L_x L_y - L_y L_x

when the correct expression is

L_z = \frac{1}{i \hbar} (L_x L_y - L_y L_x)

Now, if you like, you can set \hbar = 1, as this amounts to just choosing a special system of units. However, you cannot set i = 1. The imaginary unit i is crucial to getting the cancellation you need.
 

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