Do operators A and Hamiltonian share a set of eigenfunctions if they commute?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between a Hermitian operator A and the Hamiltonian H in quantum mechanics, specifically whether they share a set of eigenfunctions if they commute. Participants explore the implications of this relationship for time evolution and the conditions under which eigenvectors are shared.

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  • One participant states that if the time evolution of a ket is expressed in terms of the Hamiltonian, it raises the question of whether operator A and the Hamiltonian share eigenfunctions, implying they commute.
  • Another participant proposes that if the eigenvalues of A, denoted as ##E_a## and ##E_b##, are not equal, then A and H share the same eigenvectors. However, if the eigenvalues are equal, linear combinations of the eigenvectors of A may still be eigenvectors of H, complicating the relationship.
  • A further participant questions the reasoning behind the assertion that A and H share eigenvectors when the eigenvalues are distinct.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical argument stating that if the commutator of A and H is zero and the spectrum of H is non-degenerate, then the matrix representation of A is diagonal in the basis of eigenstates of H, indicating that they share eigenvectors.

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Participants express differing views on the conditions under which A and H share eigenfunctions, particularly regarding the implications of equal versus unequal eigenvalues. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore these nuances.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the implications of the eigenvalue conditions or the general relationship between the operators, leaving several assumptions and mathematical steps unresolved.

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If time evolution of a general ket is given by | Ψ > = e-iHt/ħ | Ψ (0) > where H is the Hamiltonian. If i have a eigenbasis consisting of 2 bases |a> and |b> of a general Hermitian operator A and i write e-iHt/ ħ |a> = e-iEat/ ħ |a> and e-iHt/ħ |b> = e-iEbt/ ħ |b> ; does this mean that operator A and the Hamiltonian share a set of eigenfunctions ? ie they commute ?

And how would the time evolution of a ket be written if its operator did not commute with the Hamiltonian ?
 
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If ##E_a \neq E_b## then ##A## and ##H## share the same eigenvectors. If on the other hand ##E_a = E_b##, any linear combination of ##|a\rangle## and ##|b\rangle## is an eigenvector of ##H## but obviously they cannot be an eigenvector of ##A## as well since ##a\neq b##.
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And how would the time evolution of a ket be written if its operator did not commute with the Hamiltonian ?
Expand the eigenvector of ##A## into the eigenvectors of ##H##.
 
If A is a general operator and Ea ≠ Eb then why do A and H share the same eigenvectors ?
 
If ##[A,H]=0## and the spectrum of ##H## is non-degenerate, then for any pair of eigenvectors ##|a\rangle## and ##|b\rangle## of ##H##
$$
\langle a|[A,H]|b\rangle = 0 \\
(E_a-E_b) \langle a|A|b\rangle = 0
$$
This means when ##|a\rangle \neq |b\rangle## thus ##E_a -E_b \neq 0##, the scalar ##\langle a|A|b\rangle = 0##. That is, the matrix of ##A## is diagonal with respect to the basis of the eigenstates of ##H## and the two operators have the same set of eigenvectors.
 
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