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The discussion revolves around feelings of embarrassment regarding American political discourse, particularly surrounding healthcare reform and the influence of figures like Sarah Palin. Participants express concern over the irrationality displayed at town hall meetings and the prevalence of misinformation, suggesting that this may lead to a perception of America as foolish by other countries. There is also a critique of political satire shows like the Daily Show and Colbert Report, which some argue have become part of the problem rather than a solution. The conversation touches on the complexity of American identity and the mixed feelings about how the U.S. is viewed internationally. Ultimately, the sentiment is that while Americans may laugh at their own political figures, they are also aware of how they are perceived abroad.
  • #61
How did sheep get such a bad reputation?
 
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  • #62
WhoWee said:
How did sheep get such a bad reputation?
They figured that since they outnumber people in NZ they should have representation. They organized themselves into unions and went on a wool strike. The people scorned their bleeting heart movement and herded them into groups with dogs, leaving shepherds to manage the remnants of the union. The sheep recognized that the union couldn't be trusted and resorted to gang violence and drug trafficking. Before you know it shepherds were always high on weed and surrounded by dozens of perty sheep. The dogs are their spies in the community, and very soon they will make their move to take over the country. Watch, you'll see!
 
  • #63
Majority Americans are neither stupider nor smarter than any other kind of people out there. They will be same as others if they get less attention.
 
  • #64
sylas said:
I certainly do; and given that this election had such strong popular support in the USA, this indicates that the USA as a whole looks more sensible to many overseas observers as well.

Cheers -- sylas

Obama http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/" A little early to be rewriting history isn't it?
 
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  • #65
chemisttree said:
Obama http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/" A little early to be rewriting history isn't it?

...and Bush lost the popular vote, but I assume the people other nations just look at who we elected...not by how much.

I think the true barometer of where our country is headed is in the younger generation, and they voted for Obama 66% to 32% for Bush.
"The future's so bright, I got to wear shades..."
:cool:
 
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  • #66
chemisttree said:
Obama http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/" A little early to be rewriting history isn't it?

Todays Rasmussen Poll - 31% Strongly Approve & 40% Strongly Disapprove of Obama

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ministration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

In sales, it's called "buyer's remorse" - and after a point, every time the salesperson speaks - the approval and credibility tend to drop.
 
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  • #67
WhoWee said:
Todays Rasmussen Poll - 31% Strongly Approve & 40% Strongly Disapprove of Obama

I wonder how many of these folks in this poll are people (like me) that are actually Obama supporters that strongly disapprove of his apparent 'caving' to the conservatives and special interests on the health care public option...(and other similar issues)?

We want him to grow some cahunas and push this stuff through and let the right-wing whine all they want!
 
  • #68
BoomBoom said:
I wonder how many of these folks in this poll are people (like me) that are actually Obama supporters that strongly disapprove of his apparent 'caving' to the conservatives and special interests on the health care public option...(and other similar issues)?

We want him to grow some cahunas and push this stuff through and let the right-wing whine all they want!

The more he pushes the less support he seems to get.
 
  • #69
BoomBoom said:
I think the true barometer of where our country is headed is in the younger generation, and they voted for Obama 66% to 32% for Bush.
"The future's so bright, I got to wear shades..."
:cool:
We'll see:
Mark Twain said:
When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.
:smile:
 
  • #70
Obama is a politician, how can he BE any different?

:wink:
 
  • #71
chemisttree said:
Obama http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/"

I'm curious, did other countries laugh when Gore won the http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html" and Bush became president?

Gore 50,999,897 48.38%
Bush 50,456,002 47.87%

I don't recall laughing about that.
 
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  • #72
OmCheeto said:
I'm curious, did other countries laugh when Gore won the and Bush became president?

To the citizens of the United States of America from Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II

In light of your failure to decide who will be President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately. Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths, and territories (except Kansas, which she does not fancy).

To aid in the transition to a British Crown dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect: (You should look up "revocation" in the Oxford English Dictionary.)

1. Then look up aluminium, and check the pronunciation guide. You will be amazed at just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it.

2. The letter 'U' will be reinstated in words such as "colour", "favour", "labour" and "neighbour." Likewise, you will learn to spell "doughnut" without skipping half the letters, and the suffix '-ize' will be replaced by the suffix '-ise'. Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. (look up "vocabulary").

3. Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as "like" and "you know" is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. There is no such thing as US English. We will let M*crosoft know on your behalf. The M*crosoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take into account the reinstated letter "u" and the elimination of -ize.

4. July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday.

5. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers, or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you're not quite ready to be independent. Guns should only be used for shooting grouse. If you can't sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist then you're not ready to shoot grouse.

6. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. Although a permit will be required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.

7. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start driving on the left side with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric with immediate effect. Both roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour.

8. The former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have been calling gasoline) of roughly $10/US gallon. Get used to it.

9. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling potato chips are properly called crisps. Real chips are thick cut, fried in animal fat, and dressed not with catsup but with vinegar.

10. The cold tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all. Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to as beer, and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as Lager. Australian beer is also acceptable as they are pound for pound the greatest sporting nation on Earth and it can only be due to the beer. They are also part of the British Commonwealth - see what it did for them. American brands will be referred to as Near-Frozen Gnat's Urine, so that all can be sold without risk of further confusion.

11. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as good guys. Hollywood will also be required to cast English actors to play English characters. Watching Andie MacDowell attempt English dialogue in "Four Weddings and a Funeral" was an experience akin to having one's ears removed with a cheese grater.

12. You will cease playing American football. There is only one kind of proper football; you call it soccer. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which has some similarities to American football, but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like a bunch of nancies). Don't try rugby - the Australians and Kiwis will thrash you, like they regularly thrash us.

13. Further, you will stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the World Series for a game which is not played outside of America. Since only 2.1% of you are aware there is a world beyond your borders, your error is understandable. You will learn cricket, and we will let you face the Australians first to take the sting out of their deliveries.

14. You must tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us mad.

15. An internal revenue agent (i.e. tax collector) from Her Majesty's Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all monies due (backdated to 1776).

16. Daily Tea Time begins promptly at 4 pm with proper cups, with saucers, and never mugs, with high quality biscuits (cookies) and cakes; plus strawberries (with cream) when in season.

God Save the Queen!
 
  • #73
mgb_phys said:
To the citizens of the United States of America from Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II

In light of your failure to decide who will be President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately. Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths, and territories (except Kansas, which she does not fancy).
Although this is the third of fourth time I've read that speech, 2 lines always have me rolling on the floor laughing.
...
10. The cold tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all. ... American brands will be referred to as Near-Frozen Gnat's Urine, so that all can be sold without risk of further confusion.

12. You will cease playing American football. There is only one kind of proper football; you call it soccer. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which has some similarities to American football, but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like a bunch of nancies).

I concur.

God Save the Queen!

Some of us have been considering the proposition, though we've left out more than just Kansas.

jesusland.jpg
 
  • #74
:smile: It always makes me laugh, too.
Well played in the previous tests! I'm looking forward to watching the fifth.
 
  • #75
OmCheeto said:
Although this is the third of fourth time I've read that speech, 2 lines always have me rolling on the floor laughing.


I concur.



Some of us have been considering the proposition, though we've left out more than just Kansas.

jesusland.jpg

hahaha Wow that speech was awesome never seen it before. And that Canada/USA vs Jesusland picture is awesome too.
 
  • #76
OmCheeto said:
Although this is the third of fourth time I've read that speech, 2 lines always have me rolling on the floor laughing.
I concur.

They used to play footbal without pads, but the injury rate was too high.

I am confident that allowing a rugby player to play american football without pads could be arranged.
 
  • #77
Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II said:
16. Daily Tea Time begins promptly at 4 pm with proper cups, with saucers, and never mugs, with high quality biscuits (cookies) and cakes; plus strawberries (with cream) when in season.
Unfortunately, the tea got tossed into Boston Harbor and is unsuitable for drinking. Even for the British.
 
  • #78
BoomBoom said:
...and Bush lost the popular vote, but I assume the people other nations just look at who we elected...not by how much.

That's not how Sylas saw it... and I was replying to that post.
 
  • #79
OmCheeto said:
I'm curious, did other countries laugh when Gore won the http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html" and Bush became president?

Gore 50,999,897 48.38%
Bush 50,456,002 47.87%

I don't recall laughing about that.

I don't know, I wasn't in another country at the time. I'd be willing to bet they did.
The U.S. image abroad is suffering almost everywhere. Particularly in the most economically developed countries, people blame America for the financial crisis. Opposition to key elements of American foreign policy is widespread in Western Europe, and positive views of the U.S. have declined steeply among many of America's longtime European allies.
Source. http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=263"
That's how the report reads for the time period covering the Bush years.

Here's how the report begins for the time period covering Obama's term so far.
The image of the United States has improved markedly in most parts of the world, reflecting global confidence in Barack Obama. In many countries opinions of the United States are now about as positive as they were at the beginning of the decade before George W. Bush took office. Improvements in the U.S. image have been most pronounced in Western Europe, where favorable ratings for both the nation and the American people have soared. But opinions of America have also become more positive in key countries in Latin America, Africa and Asia, as well.
Source. http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=264"
 
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  • #80
OmCheeto said:
I'm curious, did other countries laugh when Gore won the http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html" and Bush became president?

Gore 50,999,897 48.38%
Bush 50,456,002 47.87%

I don't recall laughing about that.
Knowingly making false statements is against forum rules.

Bush won the election 271 to 266 according to your source.

Unless you really don't understand our constitutional process for electing Presidents?
 
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  • #81
OmCheeto said:
I'm curious, did other countries laugh when Gore won the http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html" and Bush became president?

Gore 50,999,897 48.38%
Bush 50,456,002 47.87%

I don't recall laughing about that.
Dunno, are people in other countries capable of reading and understanding a wiki article about how the electoral college works?
 
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  • #82
mgb_phys said:
7. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start driving on the left side with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric with immediate effect. Both roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour.

You know, it's not until I visited the US a few times that I really appreciated roundabouts (traffic circles). They just make so much more sense than the stand-off at stop signs, or the ridiculous 5 road junctions controlled solely by traffic lights!

russ_watters said:
Dunno, are people in other countries capable of reading and understanding a wiki article about how the electoral college works?

Hmm.. I hope you're being facetious! (Things like the US electoral college were taught to me in high school history lessons!)
 
  • #83
cristo said:
Hmm.. I hope you're being facetious! (Things like the US electoral college were taught to me in high school history lessons!)

Now now, they'll shut our fun down if we fight.
http://www.uselectionatlas.org/INFORMATION/INFORMATION/electcollege_history.php"
Direct election was rejected not because the Framers of the Constitution doubted public intelligence
idiots...
but rather because they feared that without sufficient information about candidates from outside their State
Like that is a problem now, with the internet.
, people would naturally vote for a "favorite son" from their own State or region.
Not to mention cute. I'd snog Obama.
At worst, no president would emerge with a popular majority sufficient to govern the whole country. At best, the choice of president would always be decided by the largest, most populous States with little regard for the smaller ones.

Eeek!

300px-USA_states_population_map_2007_color.svg.png



So our last president could have been Arnold(Wutevah! Just amend the constitution... god...), Bush(again...), Cuomo, or that other Bush.
 
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  • #84
seycyrus said:
They used to play footbal without pads, but the injury rate was too high.

I am confident that allowing a rugby player to play american football without pads could be arranged.

Reality check - it's fine to boast and make fun of our pads - I get it.

But seeing how this is a Physics Forums conversation, why don't you factor in the speed of our game, average size of our players, hardness of our equipment and relative softness of your rugby player's head - and report your findings.
 
  • #85
cristo said:
You know, it's not until I visited the US a few times that I really appreciated roundabouts (traffic circles). They just make so much more sense than the stand-off at stop signs, or the ridiculous 5 road junctions controlled solely by traffic lights!
I really hate them, but they are only a problem in third world states like New Jersey. Pennsylvania doesn't have traffic circles. I think they work better where there is less traffic.
Hmm.. I hope you're being facetious! (Things like the US electoral college were taught to me in high school history lessons!)
I was, but I'm surprised you learned about the electoral college in school. I keep forgetting where you are from...France?
 
  • #86
OmCheeto said:
...

idiots...

Like that is a problem now, with the internet.

Not to mention cute. I'd snog Obama.


Eeek!

300px-USA_states_population_map_2007_color.svg.png

If the US had no Electoral College today, the entire presidential campaign process would cease to exist outside of the major population centers in California and New York, with the odd visit or two to Tx, Fla, Pa, Ohio. Every other state or rural area might as well eat cake. Political accountability in the office of the President would follow similarly. Like the Senate in the Congress, the Electoral College gives federalism a role in the executive branch.
 
  • #87
mheslep said:
the entire presidential campaign process would cease to exist outside of the major population centers in California and New York,
Instead of being in the hands of whichever farming state holds the first primary
 
  • #88
mgb_phys said:
Instead of being in the hands of whichever farming state holds the first primary
If that is to mean on the one hand (EC) we have Iowa owning the Presidency, and on the other (popular vote) we'd have Ca/NY owning the Presidency, then no there's no comparison. Under the EC system, Iowa forces a kabuki dance early on, and a hat tip by the candidates, but it does not hold any great political sway over the President. In a popular vote election, the LA and NYC type areas would OWN the Presidency, everybody else stay home. Don't waste time writing letters or going to town halls, because the Pres. need not care in the slightest what they think.
 
  • #89
mgb_phys said:
Instead of being in the hands of whichever farming state holds the first primary

Gads.. I'm lucky I went to the lou before I read that, or I'd need a new couch. What's the cure for hyperventilating? paper bag. breath in breath out. bwah hahahahaha!:cry::smile::cry::smile:
 
  • #90
There's another important reason for the electoral college: The simple fact that the states, not the federal government, are in charge of elections to avoid having "the fox in charge of the henhouse", and the only practical way to do that at the time was to assign each state its share of electors, and each state ultimately has the final say in certifying which candidate gets its votes.

May seem outdated, but it still serves that purpose pretty well.
 

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