Discussion Overview
The discussion revolves around the question of whether photons attract each other, particularly in the context of their motion in gravitational fields. Participants explore various scenarios, including parallel, anti-parallel, and perpendicular beams of light, and reference both linearized and non-linear theories of gravity.
Discussion Character
- Exploratory
- Technical explanation
- Debate/contested
- Mathematical reasoning
Main Points Raised
- One participant presents an equation of motion for a photon and suggests that the result should hold in non-linear theory, questioning how to prove this.
- Another participant argues that the result may not hold in non-linear orders due to the energy-momentum of photons affecting spacetime curvature.
- A different participant asserts that there are proofs in the literature supporting the idea that parallel light beams do not attract each other, while anti-parallel beams do attract.
- One participant clarifies that the referenced paper discusses the attraction of anti-parallel beams and expresses uncertainty about the case of perpendicular beams.
- Another participant notes a lack of context regarding the assumptions about the metric being used in the discussion.
- It is mentioned that for two light beams in a center of mass system with opposite momentum, attraction is expected.
- A participant references a problem from Lightman’s book that states there is no attractive gravitational force between two thin parallel beams of light in linearized theory, and mentions that the result holds to higher orders.
- One participant expresses confusion about the original post's reference to the z direction and clarifies that the second referenced paper establishes interactions for beam orientations other than parallel.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants express differing views on the behavior of photons in various configurations, with some asserting that parallel beams do not attract while others suggest that non-parallel configurations may lead to attraction. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of perpendicular beams and the implications of non-linear effects.
Contextual Notes
There are missing assumptions regarding the metric and the specific conditions under which the claims are made. The discussion also highlights the complexity of gravitational interactions among light beams, particularly in non-linear regimes.