Do photons gain mass in the presense of a black hole?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the question of whether photons might acquire mass in the presence of a black hole, exploring the implications of gravity on light and the nature of mass in general relativity.

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  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that gravity can affect photons, referencing Einstein's equivalence principle, but question if this leads to any mass acquisition near a singularity.
  • One participant clarifies that the term "singularity" likely refers to a black hole and argues that the gravity of a black hole does not uniquely impart mass to photons, suggesting that any massive object would have a similar effect.
  • Another participant expresses the view that photons cannot escape a black hole, leading to uncertainty about their properties in such extreme conditions.
  • It is noted that black holes do not change the nature of photons; rather, they significantly alter the geometry of spacetime, affecting the movement of light rather than its intrinsic properties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that black holes do not give photons mass, but multiple competing views remain regarding the implications of gravity on light and the nature of mass in general relativity.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of mass and the effects of spacetime curvature on light, which remain unresolved.

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I understand how gravity can affect photons or light waves (Einstein's equivalence principle). But I was wondering if there are any theories that predict that a photon might somehow acquire mass in the presence of a singularity.
 
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I'm going to assume that you mean black-hole, when you say singularity. The central point of the BH should have no relevance---unless I misunderstand you.

Note that there isn't anything special about the gravity of a BH. If a BH's gravity somehow gave light mass, then a star, or even a planet would also.

Nothing, however, can give a photon rest-mass. In general relativity, 'mass' (in-general) is not always well-defined. A photon will (presumably) exert a gravitational force on other-particles, regardless of the local gravity (e.g. a black-hole).
 
My understanding is that light waves flatline when trying to leave a BH - they can not escape. I was not sure if this had an effect on the photons. - Thank you for your answer.
 
kjamha said:
My understanding is that light waves flatline when trying to leave a BH - they can not escape. I was not sure if this had an effect on the photons. - Thank you for your answer.
Black-holes don't change anything about the photons themselves; instead they're drastically deforming the shape of space-time itself. At (and within) the event horizon, the photons are exactly the same, but spacetime is bent so much that nothing can move outward.
 
I was not sure if this had an effect on the photons. http://www.bosin.info/g.gif
 
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