Do Photons Have Electromagnetic Properties That Cause Attraction?

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The discussion revolves around whether photons possess electromagnetic properties that lead to attraction between them. It explores theoretical connections between photons, electromagnetic waves, and their behavior in various contexts, including quantum mechanics and light propagation.

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  • One participant questions if photons have electromagnetic properties that cause them to attract each other.
  • Another participant asserts that photons do not attract each other.
  • A different participant speculates about a possible connection between electromagnetic waves and their interaction with magnetic fields.
  • One participant presents a model based on Feynman's lectures, suggesting that the probability of photons being observed at certain points is influenced by their configurations, potentially leading to a scenario where they are closer together than initially expected.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the proposed paths of photons, indicating a desire to understand the implications of the model presented.
  • Another participant emphasizes that light can take various paths, with the most probable path typically being a straight line.
  • References to external resources are provided for further reading on the topic.

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Participants express differing views on whether photons attract each other, with some asserting they do not and others proposing models that suggest a form of interaction. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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The discussion includes references to quantum mechanics and the probabilistic nature of photon paths, but lacks consensus on the implications of these ideas regarding electromagnetic properties and attraction.

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Is there any electromagnetic property of photons that make them attract towards each other?
 
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No.
Why do you think so?
 
Just wondering if there was any connection with electromagnetic waves and bending with magnetic fields...
 
I think the answer is yes, and it is mentioned in Feynman's NZ lectures. I don't think this is what you were thinking of, but it goes like this:
Time is up, space is horizontal, ignore the dots:
A . . B
| . . |
| . . |
| . . |
| . . |
a . . b
The probability that you will get photons at A and B a short time after them being at a and b is calculated using the two events shown. But there is also the possibility of this:
A . . B
. \. /
.. \/
.. /\
. /. \
a . . b
Which is less likely as it involves a larger distance for one thing.
But taking the two together, it comes out that the most likely configuration for A and B is slightly closer together than a and b.
 
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Hey TGlad,
so let me get this straight (am still a high school physics student :P)
The paths
A . . B
| . . |
| . . |
| . . |
| . . |
a . . b
are the paths of normal photons in a stream of light, i.e. side by side. but it is possible to get the second path also? i.e. get path aB and bA? is that what u're saying?
 
Lights don't have to move in straight lines, if you don't know.
Light could move in any path in space, but the path which have the highest probability will be observed.

Read this: http://www.scribd.com/doc/7119268/2physics-Qed-Feynman-Qed-the-Strange-Theory-of-Light-and-Matter-Princeton-University-Pre" Chapter 1
 
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Yes, as Black Integra said, light can take any path it likes, the highest probability path is usually a straight line. See page 73 of the above link.
 
Thanks guys... will look through it... i'll probably understand a bit more about this stuff..
 

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