Have electromagnetic waves any polarity?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the nature of electromagnetic (EM) waves, particularly their interaction with charged particles such as electrons and protons. Participants explore concepts related to charge, polarization, and the propagation of EM waves, as well as the mechanisms of interaction between these waves and particles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how EM waves interact with electrons, specifically whether EM waves possess a charge to attract or repel electrons.
  • Another participant notes that charges interact via the electric field, prompting further inquiry into the nature of the electric and magnetic fields in EM waves.
  • There is a discussion about the concept of polarization, with one participant explaining it as the direction of the electric field within a plane perpendicular to the wave's direction.
  • Participants inquire why EM waves do not require a medium for propagation.
  • One participant asserts that only electrons can emit and interact with EM waves, while another counters that protons and other particles can also emit photons.
  • A question is raised about whether an EM wave emitted by a proton can interact with an electron, with a later response affirming this interaction.
  • There is speculation about the interaction of EM waves with gravitational forces and the magnetic field of electrons.
  • One participant references Quantum Electrodynamics (QED) in the context of the hydrogen atom, discussing the exchange of photons between protons and electrons.
  • A question is posed about whether photons interact with electric and magnetic fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of EM wave interactions, particularly regarding which particles can emit and interact with these waves. The discussion remains unresolved on several points, including the specifics of how EM waves interact with charged particles and the implications of polarization.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on definitions of charge and interaction, and there are unresolved aspects regarding the mechanisms of interaction between EM waves and particles.

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Hi,

My doubt is how can the EM waves interact with an electron, i.e.,
electron is a particle with negative charge.. have EM waves any charge to attract or to repulse an electron ? :confused:

An example is the microwaves oven when waves interact with water molecules.

Thanks :smile:
 
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Remember, charges interact with each other via the electric field.
 
very good... but the electric field (or magnetic) on EM waves has something like positive or negative signals?
 
live4physics said:
very good... but the electric field (or magnetic) on EM waves has something like positive or negative signals?

The energy of the wave is measured in the 2D plane perpendicular to the direction of the field. There is 2 orthogonal dimensions and linear combinations of these. So the polarization of the wave is the direction (within this 2D plane) the field is moving in.

If you attach a string to an object and think of the string as the electric field, you can shake the string up and down or left and right or any linear combination of this. That is polarization.
 
why electromagnetic waves doesnot require any medium to propagate
 
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Only the electron particle can emit and interact with EM waves ?
 

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live4physics said:
Only the electron particle can emit and interact with EM waves ?
protons by them selves can emit photons , as well as other particles .
And some particle anti-particle collisions .
 
But can an EM wave emitted by the proton interact with electron ?
 
it could interact through the gravitational force , I wonder how the magnetic field of the electron would permeate through a photon's localized energy , if it would be different than permeating through a vacuum .
 
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live4physics said:
But can an EM wave emitted by the proton interact with electron ?

Yes.
 
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live4physics said:
But can an EM wave emitted by the proton interact with electron ?
That's basically the Quantum Electrodynamics description of Hydrogen atom right there. Proton emits photons that are absorbed by electron, and vice versa.

Virtual off-the-shell photons, mostly, by the way.
 
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does a photon interact with electric and magnetic fields .
 

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