Do protons have stong nuclear interaction with other protons

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the nature of the strong nuclear interaction between protons and neutrons, specifically whether protons interact strongly with each other, with neutrons, or both. Participants explore the implications of these interactions for the stability of atomic nuclei.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether protons exchange strong nuclear interactions with other protons, or only with neutrons, and whether all nucleons interact with each other.
  • Another participant provides a link to a Wikipedia article, suggesting that all hadrons interact with each other.
  • It is noted that the strong nuclear interaction between neutrons and protons is similar to that between neutrons and neutrons or protons and protons, but these interactions are spin-dependent and subject to the exclusion principle.
  • Some participants express the view that if protons interact strongly with each other, it would render neutrons unnecessary, arguing that the strong interaction among protons alone is insufficient for stability without neutrons.
  • One participant emphasizes that the validity of physical laws should not be judged based on notions of utility or redundancy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of neutrons in relation to proton-proton interactions, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the role of neutrons in nuclear stability.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention spin-dependence and the exclusion principle, which may influence the interactions but are not fully elaborated upon. The implications of these factors on the nature of strong interactions are not resolved.

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I was wondering if protons exchange strong nuclear interaction/force with other protons or do protons exchange strong nuclear interaction/force with just neutrons OR do all protons and neutrons exchange strong nuclear interaction/force with all protons and neutrons. Protons exchanging strong nuclear interaction/force sounds redundant because that would deem neutrons useless. Also, do protons and neutrons exchange strong nuclear force with one particle to the other or are they all exchanging with any particle in range.

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To quite a good approximation, the strong nuclear interaction of a neutron with a neutron is the same as the interaction of a neutron with a proton or of a proton with a proton. But note that these interactions are spin-dependent, and the exclusion principle forbids some states from existing.
 
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Cash Fulton said:
Protons exchanging strong nuclear interaction/force sounds redundant because that would deem neutrons useless.
The strong interaction between protons is not sufficient to keep a collection of protons without neutrons together.
 
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mfb said:
Cash Fulton said:
Protons exchanging strong nuclear interaction/force sounds redundant because that would deem neutrons useless.
The strong interaction between protons is not sufficient to keep a collection of protons without neutrons together.

In any case, we don't decide whether a particular physical law is right or wrong based on some notion of utility or redundancy.
 
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