Do the virtual particles produce a recognizable gravitational force?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of virtual particles and their potential contribution to gravitational forces. Participants explore the implications of virtual particles in cosmological theories and their effects, particularly in relation to phenomena like the Casimir effect.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the existence of many virtual particles at any given time could produce a constant but rapidly changing gravitational force, questioning how this is accounted for in cosmological theories.
  • Another participant distinguishes between two types of virtual particles: pseudo particles, which do not create a gravitational field, and true virtual particles, which could theoretically cause gravitation.
  • A later reply mentions that if virtual particles are considered in the context of the Casimir effect, they might exert a gravitational force, but if this force is uniform, it would effectively cancel out to zero.
  • It is noted that the gravitational effects of virtual particles would likely be undetectable due to gravity being significantly weaker than electromagnetic forces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of virtual particles and their gravitational effects. There is no consensus on whether virtual particles produce a recognizable gravitational force or how this might be integrated into existing theories.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference different types of virtual particles and their implications, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding their definitions and the conditions under which they might exert gravitational influence.

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At any given time, lots of them exist. I would expect this to produce a constant but rapidly changing gravitational force. How is this effect taken into account in cosmological theories?
 
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1. I don't clear what you want to do but
2. There are two kind of "virtual" particles in physics concept:
- one is pseudo particles: particles stand for an energy state (vibration states in material, for example)- this kind does not cause a graviational field
- The second kind: virtual prticles which exist in a short time: in principle, this kind will cause gravitation.
Happy new year 2008
 
kttuan said:
1. I don't clear what you want to do but
2. There are two kind of "virtual" particles in physics concept:
- one is pseudo particles: particles stand for an energy state (vibration states in material, for example)- this kind does not cause a graviational field
- The second kind: virtual prticles which exist in a short time: in principle, this kind will cause gravitation.
Happy new year 2008

your first virtual particles are quasiparticles
 
If you are talking about virtual particles as in the type that cause the Casimir effect, I'd assume they do have a gravitational force, but if it is indeed a constant background energy that causes this, the gravitational effect would be pulling from all directions equally, and therefore be 0. It might actually have an effect in the same situations that the Casimir effect applies, but since gravity is many order of magnitude less powerful than the electromagnetic force, it would probably be undetectable.
 

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