Do TOE candidates predict SM parameters?

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The discussion centers on whether theories of everything (TOE), such as loop gravity and string theory, can predict standard model (SM) parameters from first principles. It explores the implications of not being able to make such predictions, suggesting the alternative of a multiverse with 10^500 different SM parameters. Kaluza-Klein theory is noted for its failure to accurately predict SM parameters, while Connes' non-commutative geometry approach is highlighted as a potential TOE candidate that successfully reproduces some SM parameters. The conversation also touches on the relationship between symmetry and asymmetry in these theories, particularly regarding CP violation. Ultimately, the dialogue emphasizes the need for continued exploration across various theoretical frameworks to achieve a deeper understanding of the SM.
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My bad, octonions...
 
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  • #32
no, not even octonions ;-)

octonions are a divison algebra w/o zero divisors; but they are not associative
 
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Another try. Sedenions :)
 
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yes, they have zero divisors and are not a division algebra!
 

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