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The discussion revolves around the potential causes of childhood leukemia, particularly focusing on a recent analysis suggesting a two-step process involving genetic mutations and infection exposure. Participants explore the implications of these findings, including parental responsibility and the hygiene hypothesis, while considering various factors that may influence childhood health.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants discuss the findings of Professor Mel Greaves, which suggest that childhood leukemia may result from a genetic mutation combined with exposure to infections during early childhood.
  • There is speculation about parental responsibility regarding sanitation practices, with some questioning whether too much cleanliness could contribute to health issues like leukemia.
  • Others express concern that encouraging children to be "dirty" could lead to other health problems, indicating a tension between hygiene and exposure to pathogens.
  • Participants mention the hygiene hypothesis, which posits that lack of exposure to foreign antigens may lead to conditions like asthma and allergies.
  • Some contributions reference personal experiences with childhood exposure and breastfeeding, suggesting these factors may influence immune system development.
  • There are mentions of alternative approaches to managing exposure, such as microbiome pills and local honey, as potential remedies for allergies.
  • A participant reflects on a long-held belief that magnetic fields from power lines caused leukemia, indicating the evolution of understanding regarding the disease's causes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the implications of the research findings, with no consensus on the best approach to managing childhood exposure to pathogens or the role of parental practices in health outcomes. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the balance between hygiene and necessary exposure.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference the hygiene hypothesis and its implications, but there are limitations in the discussion regarding the specific conditions under which these hypotheses apply and the lack of consensus on the effectiveness of various proposed solutions.

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https://medicalxpress.com/news/2018-05-uk-scientist-reveals-childhood-leukaemia.html

A major new analysis reveals for the first time the likely cause of most cases of childhood leukaemia, following more than a century of controversy about its origins.Professor Mel Greaves from The Institute of Cancer Research, London, assessed the most comprehensive body of evidence ever collected on acute lymphoblastic leukaemia (ALL) - the most common type of childhood cancer.

His research concludes that the disease is caused through a two-step process of genetic mutation and exposure to infection that means it may be preventable with treatments to stimulate or 'prime' the immune system in infancy.

The first step involves a genetic mutation that occurs before birth in the foetus and predisposes children to leukaemia—but only 1 per cent of children born with this genetic change go on to develop the disease.

The second step is also crucial. The disease is triggered later, in childhood, by exposure to one or more common infections, but primarily in children who experienced 'clean' childhoods in the first year of life, without much interaction with other infants or older children.
 
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The second step sounds like parents share some blame? I wonder how that will be received. Too much sanitation and sterilization? Let kids be dirty?
 
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Greg Bernhardt said:
The second step sounds like parents share some blame? I wonder how that will be received. Too much sanitation and sterilization? Let kids be dirty?

This is a very difficult road for parents. Letting them be dirty may lead to a host of other illnesses like necrotizing fascitis or lime disease...

Its tough to be a parent.
 
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Let kids be dirty?
Given the actual trends of our civilization instead of that simple method I would rather expect to appear some special 'dirt pills' and 'temperance soaps' :nb)
 
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Given the actual trends of our civilization instead of that simple method I would rather expect to appear some special 'dirt pills' and 'temperance soaps' :nb)

Or a microbiome pill, to change your gut for the better with good bacteria.
 
Asthma in early childhood is related to lack of exposure to foreign antigens in very young children, i.e. being in very close proximity animals: livestock, mammalian pets, etc.

Hygiene hypothesis: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3411171/ discusses mouse model of Hygiene hypothesis. You may see this concept called the 'bored immune system' response in popular science articles.
 
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I recall learning about the hygiene hypothesis after my daughter was born.

I observed and timed her exposure closely in infancy and the early years. Go play in the grass and dirt!

Breastfeeding is incredibly useful for guiding the exposure for a healthy immune system. I wonder if these childen in the study were breastfed?

I have memories of being delighted to expose her to the "unsanitary" after she was old enough.

I should shut up though. She was just diagnosed with allergies this week, so I didn't do all that great! Zyrtec every day now!
 
I think we all get allergies especially if we move to a new area later in life.

I've heard that local honey can acclimate your body to new environs however the problem seems to be that you don't know where the honey actually comes from or if its a blend of kinds of honey. We got some Manuka honey in New Zeland and its claim is that it's a natural antibiotic.

https://www.webmd.com/allergies/features/does-honey-help-prevent-allergies

https://www.healthline.com/health/allergies/honey-remedy#research

and on Manuka honey research:

https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/manuka-honey-medicinal-uses#1
 
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And to think for 40 years I thought it was caused by magnetic fields (rays of death) from power lines.
 

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