Does anybody lose as a result of the student loan changes?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of recent changes to the student loan system, particularly focusing on the potential job losses among employees of banks and financial institutions, including Sallie Mae. Participants express various emotional responses to these changes and reflect on the broader impact of the financial crisis.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a lack of remorse for banks potentially losing employees due to student loan changes, viewing it as a consequence of the financial crisis.
  • Others caution against feeling schadenfreude, suggesting that the job losses primarily affect lower-level employees rather than executives.
  • One participant notes that while they are unsympathetic to banks, they acknowledge the negative impact on customer service and support for borrowers.
  • Another participant argues that the changes allow borrowers to obtain loans directly from the government, which they perceive as a more stable option compared to private banks.
  • There is a sentiment that while job losses are unfortunate, they may be justified if it leads to accountability for higher management in banks.
  • One participant reflects on the moral implications of feeling satisfaction from the misfortunes of banks and their executives, suggesting a desire for social accountability for those in leadership roles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express mixed feelings about the job losses, with some feeling justified in their lack of sympathy for banks, while others highlight the broader implications for employees and customer service. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the moral implications of these feelings.

Contextual Notes

Participants' views are influenced by their perceptions of the banking industry and the financial crisis, with varying degrees of empathy for affected employees. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the situation, particularly regarding the distinction between different levels of employees within banks.

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I saw this snippet in a newspaper today:

The Spokesman-Review said:
Q. Does anybody lose as a result of the student loan changes?

A. Banks and other financial institutions. Sallie Mae, the biggest student lender, has about 8,500 employees in the student loan program and has said close to one-third of them may lose their jobs as a result of the overhaul. Sallie Mae will still have contracts to service federal loans.

When I saw this, I didn't feel remorse for the banks. I almost laughed out loud. Then I worried that I was laughing at the suffering of others... Then I remembered that the "others" were banks, and I felt happy again.

Has anyone exhibited similar feelings as a result of the financial crisis?
 
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Someday you might want to become a quant, so slower with the schadenfreude.
 


Char. Limit said:
When I saw this, I didn't feel remorse for the banks. I almost laughed out loud.
Remember that none of the 8000 will be CEOs, they will mostly be customer service people in call centers.
So when your student loan check doesn't arrive, or your repayments suddenly gained a zero, there won't be anyone to call.
 


Char. Limit said:
I saw this snippet in a newspaper today:



When I saw this, I didn't feel remorse for the banks. I almost laughed out loud. Then I worried that I was laughing at the suffering of others... Then I remembered that the "others" were banks, and I felt happy again.

Has anyone exhibited similar feelings as a result of the financial crisis?
It's never happy that people lose their jobs, unless it's Executive Management that was overpaid and contributed to the company's downfall. Those people should be made to repay their multi-million dollar paychecks and bonuses to the employees that worked diligently despite the idiotic and self-serving decisions upper management made.
 


Actually, because of the changes to the student loan system, I can get my loans directly from the government... which, while corrupt, is less likely to raise my rates for no reason than, say, Bank of America.

And I know that none of the employees will be at the top, but when you're killing a plant, you got to start with the roots, right?

EDIT: I just realized that this statement could be taken as incendiary. Nevertheless, I do sometimes feel like that, that it's worth it that the employees lose their jobs if we can take out the CEOs and Directors. However, that'll never happen legally (they're all obscenely rich) so maybe we could just make them into social pariahs instead. Equate a bank CEO with evil. Hey, it'd be easy; they already seem that way.
 
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