Does anyone really want Snowden (except the US)?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential for Edward Snowden to receive asylum in countries like Venezuela, Nicaragua, and Bolivia, and the implications of such actions. Participants explore the motivations of these countries, the logistics of transporting Snowden, and the broader geopolitical context. The conversation includes speculation about the consequences of offering asylum and the nature of international relations.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why Venezuela, Nicaragua, and Bolivia have not sent a plane to Russia to retrieve Snowden if they truly want to offer him asylum.
  • Others argue that these countries may face negative economic consequences and strained relations with the US by granting asylum, despite potential benefits among certain critics of US policies.
  • There are suggestions that the countries might not gain anything substantial from granting asylum, raising ethical questions about their motivations.
  • One participant emphasizes that if these countries claim to support Snowden, they should act on their statements and facilitate his return.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of Snowden living in Russia, with speculation about his safety and the nature of his asylum application there.
  • Some participants highlight the logistical challenges of transporting Snowden from Russia to Venezuela, questioning the feasibility of such an operation.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of the aircraft that could be used for transport, with differing opinions on Venezuela's capabilities.
  • One participant expresses a strong belief in Snowden as a human rights activist and criticizes government surveillance practices in the US.
  • Another participant points out the need for clarity and substantiation in arguments presented, particularly regarding the logistics of the proposed asylum operation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the motivations and capabilities of the countries involved, with no clear consensus on whether they genuinely wish to assist Snowden or the implications of doing so. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the logistics and political ramifications of granting asylum.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions about the willingness of Russia to cooperate in transporting Snowden and the bureaucratic barriers that may exist. The discussion also reflects differing interpretations of the geopolitical landscape surrounding Snowden's situation.

  • #31
Hmm. Look:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_in_the_United_States

"Americans who live in foreign countries and become members of other governments have, in some instances, been stripped of citizenship, although there have been court cases where decisions regarding citizenship have been reversed."
 
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  • #32
nikkkom said:
Hmm. Look:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_in_the_United_States

"Americans who live in foreign countries and become members of other governments have, in some instances, been stripped of citizenship, although there have been court cases where decisions regarding citizenship have been reversed."

He's certainly not a member of another government. Election to the Politburo seems unlikely.

The EU recently passed a resolution that Edward Snowden should be offered asylum, though no EU member did so.
 
  • #33
nikkkom said:
Hmm. Look:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_in_the_United_States

"Americans who live in foreign countries and become members of other governments have, in some instances, been stripped of citizenship, although there have been court cases where decisions regarding citizenship have been reversed."
I don't see what point you are trying to make.
 
  • #34
Edward Snowden questioned VV Putin live on Russian TV about Russia's mass surveillance operation.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ision-question-vladimir-putin-on-surveillance

“Does Russia intercept, store, or analyze in any way the communications of millions of individuals? And do you believe that simply increasing the effectiveness of intelligence or law enforcement agencies can justify placing societies, rather than subjects, under surveillance? Thank you.”

The response was

“Of course, we know that criminals and terrorists use technology for their criminal acts and of course the special services have to use technical means to respond to their crimes. But we don’t have a mass-scale, uncontrollable efforts like that...Our special services…are strictly controlled by the society and the law, and are regulated by the law.”

Not exactly a denial.
 

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