Does bond polarity affect bond strength and length in covalent compounds?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the relationship between bond polarity, bond strength, and bond length in covalent compounds. Participants explore how these factors interact, particularly in the context of acids and the implications of ionic versus covalent bonding.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that generally strong bonds are short in length and more polar, questioning if increased polarity leads to shorter bond lengths.
  • Others argue that while ionic bonds are more polar, covalent bonds are generally stronger, leading to a debate about the strength of ionic versus covalent bonds.
  • A participant proposes that increased polarity in X-H bonds correlates with increased acidity, which may imply decreased bond stability.
  • Another participant highlights that the relationship between bond strength and polarity is complex, noting that increased bond strength can lead to decreased acidity, suggesting a nuanced interplay between these factors.
  • One participant introduces a mathematical perspective, discussing how bond polarity and strength can be modeled using dipole moments and Coulomb's law, indicating that the effects of distance on these properties are significant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between bond polarity and bond strength, with no consensus reached. Some believe that increased polarity leads to weaker bonds, while others argue that bond strength can vary depending on the context and specific compounds involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various factors influencing bond strength and polarity, including electronegativity and the stability of conjugate bases, indicating that the discussion is limited by the complexity of these interrelated concepts.

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I have some confusion about the relationship between bond polarity and bond length.

Generally strong bonds are short in length.
Generally strong bonds are more polar. (Ionic bonds are stronger than covalent bonds).

Therefore, the more polar bonds tend to be shorter in length?

And yet, the dipole moment is the product of charge and distance, which implies that the longer the distance, the more the polarity?

I thank you for your time to resolve my confusion.

BiP
 
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Bipolarity said:
I have some confusion about the relationship between bond polarity and bond length.

Generally strong bonds are short in length.

This is true.

Bipolarity said:
Generally strong bonds are more polar. (Ionic bonds are stronger than covalent bonds).

Are you sure about that? There is overlap, but generally, covalent bonds are stronger.
 
aroc91 said:
This is true.



Are you sure about that? There is overlap, but generally, covalent bonds are stronger.

My guess is that because ionic bonds are more polar, the electrostatic attractions are stronger. I see no reason why covalent bonds should be stronger than ionic bonds. I suppose it probably differs from compound to compound.

But let's forget I said anything about ionic compounds.
Within covalent compounds, does polarity lead to bond strength?
 
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I don't think so. There are many interrelated factors, especially regarding acids-

http://library.thinkquest.org/C006669/data/Chem/acidsbases/factors.html

1. As polarity of X-H bonds increases, acidity increases, so as polarity goes up, bond stability goes down.

2. As anion size increases, acidity increases. This may seem contrary to point #1, but that didn't take conjugate base stability into account.

So, based on #2, you could say that increased polarity leads to increased bond strength, but that's not looking at the big picture. That said, X-H bonds are some of the most polar bonds and acids are defined by the weakness of those bonds.

http://www.science.uwaterloo.ca/~cchieh/cact/c120/bondel.html (I'm particularly looking at the table in blue)

The 5 strongest bonds, from strongest to weakest are- N*N (triple bond), C*C, C=C, H-F, and O=O. This tells a much different story and one that I would say is generally more applicable.

If this post seems kind of sloppy, it's late and I've been throwing stuff in and editing this post as I've been reading more and more.
 
aroc91 said:
I don't think so. There are many interrelated factors, especially regarding acids-

http://library.thinkquest.org/C006669/data/Chem/acidsbases/factors.html

1. As polarity of X-H bonds increases, acidity increases, so as polarity goes up, bond stability goes down.

2. As anion size increases, acidity increases. This may seem contrary to point #1, but that didn't take conjugate base stability into account.

So, based on #2, you could say that increased polarity leads to increased bond strength, but that's not looking at the big picture. That said, X-H bonds are some of the most polar bonds and acids are defined by the weakness of those bonds.

http://www.science.uwaterloo.ca/~cchieh/cact/c120/bondel.html (I'm particularly looking at the table in blue)

The 5 strongest bonds, from strongest to weakest are- N*N (triple bond), C*C, C=C, H-F, and O=O. This tells a much different story and one that I would say is generally more applicable.

If this post seems kind of sloppy, it's late and I've been throwing stuff in and editing this post as I've been reading more and more.

YEs! That's the post I've been looking for! I never thought about it by considering what determines the acid dissociation constants of most acids. In my textbook too it says that higher polarity contributes to more acidity (thus more instability and less bond strength) and that higher bond strength contributes to less acidity (by virtue of its tight grip on its hydrogens).

In fact, I sort of thought of looking at it a different way:
Bond polarity is given by the net electric dipole which for a diatomic covalent compound is given by μ = qr.
Bond strength is simply the Coloumb force so it is F = k(q1)(q2)/(r^2).

IF you increase r, you will increase both μ and decrease F. But the decrease in F is more significant than the increase in μ because of the exponent of 'r' in the Coloumb law.
Therefore, though the H-X bond sort of becomes more polar, it becomes significantly weaker in terms of electrostatic strength, hence the greater acidity!
Thus both the effects that contribute to acidity are countering one another, but the bond strength (effect number 2) is more significant, so its effect is recognized.

I thank you greatly for your time! I get it NOW!

With regards,
BiP
 
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aroc91 said:
This is true.



Are you sure about that? There is overlap, but generally, covalent bonds are stronger.

Ionic bonds are based on electrostatic attraction (differences in electronegativity). Covalent bonds are usually stronger because electrons are shared between atoms.

Bipolarity said:
My guess is that because ionic bonds are more polar, the electrostatic attractions are stronger. I see no reason why covalent bonds should be stronger than ionic bonds. I suppose it probably differs from compound to compound.

But let's forget I said anything about ionic compounds.
Within covalent compounds, does polarity lead to bond strength?

Ionic bonds>polar covalent bonds>nonpolar covalent bonds when it comes to the differences in electronegativity of atoms but this isn't necessarily correlated with bond length. Triple bonds< double bonds< single bonds in length but dipole moments (polarity) are determined by the difference in electronegativity of the atoms.
 

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