Does Differentiating e^(-x) and e^(3x+4) Follow Standard Rules?

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The discussion centers on the differentiation of exponential functions, specifically addressing the derivatives of e^(-x) and e^(3x+4). Participants explore the application of differentiation rules, including the chain rule, and express uncertainty regarding the correctness of their understanding.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the derivative of e^(-x) is -e^(-x), suggesting the use of the chain rule.
  • Others question whether the derivative of e^(3x+4) is simply e^(3x+4) without further manipulation.
  • A few participants express uncertainty about their understanding of differentiation, particularly regarding negative exponents and the application of the chain rule.
  • One participant mentions that e^(-x) can be viewed as 1/e^x, indicating a different perspective on the function.
  • Several participants emphasize the importance of revisiting basic calculus concepts and rules for differentiation.
  • There are discussions about the derivative of composite functions, with references to f(g(x)) and its implications for differentiation.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the differentiation of e^(-x) and e^(3x+4). There are competing views on the application of differentiation rules and the correctness of initial assumptions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants acknowledge that their understanding may be outdated or incomplete, and there are references to the need for clarity on basic differentiation rules. The discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with calculus concepts.

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1st qs: I know that d/dx of e^x is e^x, but how bout negative power?(see example below)
Is d/dx e^-x = e^-x ?

and 2nd qs: If the power if not x but 3x + 4, y=e^(3x+4) then is d/dx e^(3x+4) = e^(3x+4) ?

:confused:
 
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You mean d(e^-x)/dx

Do you know what is df[g(x)]/dx in general?
 
epenguin said:
You mean d(e^-x)/dx

Do you know what is df[g(x)]/dx in general?

I will use other notation:smile:

If f(x)=e^-x then do f'(x)=e^-x ?
 
epenguin said:
Do you know what is df[g(x)]/dx in general?

I do not know, please enlight me.
 
matttan said:
I will use other notation:smile:

If f(x)=e^-x then do f'(x)=e^-x ?

In another notation do you know what [f(g(x))]' is ?

(And apart from calculation it is possible to visualise it.)
 
epenguin said:
In another notation do you know what [f(g(x))]' is ?

(And apart from calculation it is possible to visualise it.)

Yup I think I know f(g(x)) but are u using this to explain d/dx e^-x = e^-x and before that, is d/dx e^-x = e^-x correct?
 
matttan said:
1st qs: I know that d/dx of e^x is e^x, but how bout negative power?(see example below)
Is d/dx e^-x = e^-x ?

and 2nd qs: If the power if not x but 3x + 4, y=e^(3x+4) then is d/dx e^(3x+4) = e^(3x+4) ?

:confused:

1. d(e^-x)/dx = -e^-x, use the chain rule to solve it.
2. Again, use the chain rule, take the derivative of e first then 3x+4
 
matttan said:
Yup I think I know f(g(x)) but are u using this to explain d/dx e^-x = e^-x and before that, is d/dx e^-x = e^-x correct?

e-x is just a very simple example of f[g(x)] .

To be asking this question you must have done some calculus lessons before. It is a mistake to never go back to look at earlier lessons.

OK - what is f'(-x) in general??
 
matttan said:
1st qs: I know that d/dx of e^x is e^x, but how bout negative power?(see example below)
Is d/dx e^-x = e^-x ?

and 2nd qs: If the power if not x but 3x + 4, y=e^(3x+4) then is d/dx e^(3x+4) = e^(3x+4) ?

:confused:

For question #1, e-x=\frac{1}{e^x}
So you are looking for the derivative of a rational function.
EDIT: the formatting tool did not work. RightSide is supposed to be 1/(e^x)
 
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Actually, I am not certain if my intended response in #9 is correct; I BELIEVE it is correct only because I could understand the meaning of negative exponent. (For me, been a long time since Calculus)
 
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epenguin said:
OK - what is f'(-x) in general??

Sorry, I meant what is [f(-x)]' in general?
 
  • #12
d/dx of e^-x = -e^-x

if all else fails or you want further explanation try using the chain rule
when e^-x the coefficiant of x is -1 right? so you time e by -1 (not very clear i know sorry)

is that the answer your looking for?
 
  • #13
The way I like to look at that problem is: Let Y = e^(-x), then InY = -x. While we know that the derivative of -x = -1, it is also necessary to know the derivative of InY, which I leave to others.

(So that this way is actually a little advanced and is part of differential equations.)
 
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matttan said:
1st qs: I know that d/dx of e^x is e^x, but how bout negative power?(see example below)
Is d/dx e^-x = e^-x ?

and 2nd qs: If the power if not x but 3x + 4, y=e^(3x+4) then is d/dx e^(3x+4) = e^(3x+4) ?

:confused:
What people have been trying to tell you is to use the chain rule.

The derivative of f(g)(x) is [f(g)(x)]'= f'(g)(x)g'(x) or df(g)(x)/dx= (d(f(g))/dg)(dg/dx). Now to differentiate e-x so that g(x)= -x. Then f(g)= eg and, apparently, you know that d eg/dg= eg. What is dg/dx= d(-x)/dx?
Multiply those together.
 
  • #15
Yes, you need to go back to basics.

Plus get the habit of checking for what sounds right and reasonable, plausible. E.g. you probably know ex is always positive and always increases with x. I.e. d(ex)/dx is always positive.

So e-x which is 1/ex, must be positive and always decreasing with increasing x. i.e. d(e-x)/dx is always negative. One way to know your initial conjecture had to be wrong.
 
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How do you differentiate

e^3x (sinx+2cosx)

i understand that you use the product rule but its the very last bit of the expression that confusses me

do i use the chain rule on the (sinx+2cosx) because I am unsure hows to differentiate the 2cosx
i know cosx goes to -sinx but what happens to the number at the front?
 
  • #17
It's a constant, and d(c*f(x))/dx=c*d(f(x))/dx

As an example, the derivative of 2x is 2. Nothing changes about that when you do trig.
 
  • #18
I am very confused as to what you are doing. Where are you getting these problems if not from a calculus book? And if you have a calculus book then surely it has the basic rules like (cf(x))'= c f'(x), (f+ g)'(x)= f'(x)+ g'(x), (fg)'(x)= f'(x)g(x)+ f(x)g'(x), (f/g)'(x)= (f'(x)g(x)- f(x)g'(x))/g2(x), and the chain rule. Those are what you need to learn.
 
  • #19
matt_crouch said:
do i use the chain rule on the (sinx+2cosx) because I am unsure hows to differentiate the 2cosx
i know cosx goes to -sinx but what happens to the number at the front?
You don't need the chain rule for 2 cos x. This is covered by the product rule: (fg)'(x)=f'(x)g(x)+f(x)g'(x). If f and g are defined by f(x)=2 and g(x)=cos x, the first term vanishes (f'(x)=0), so you're left with f(x)g'(x)=2 (-sin x).

Edit: Oops, I didn't realize that there was a second page of posts where this had already been answered.
 

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