Does every natural number n being even and prime imply that there is a unique n?

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The discussion revolves around expressing the English sentence "There is a unique natural number n which is both even and prime" as a symbolic statement without using the "there exists" symbol. The subject area involves logic and mathematical properties of numbers, particularly focusing on primes and even numbers.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore various symbolic representations of the statement, with some suggesting that the number 2 fulfills the criteria of being both even and prime. Others question how to express uniqueness and the concept of existence without using the standard symbols.

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There is ongoing exploration of how to articulate the problem without the "there exists" symbol. Some participants have proposed alternative phrasing and are considering how to express the properties of the number 2 explicitly. The discussion is active, with multiple interpretations being examined.

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Participants are constrained by the requirement to avoid the "there exists" symbol, which has led to a focus on rephrasing the original statement. There is a recognition of the challenge this presents in formalizing the statement correctly.

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Homework Statement


Express the following English sentence as a symbolic statement.
Do not use the there exist symbol
“There is a unique natural number n which is both even and prime.”

We also have properties like
let P(n) be the property that n is prime, L(n, m) the relation that n < m, and E(n) the property that n is even.

The Attempt at a Solution


\forall n (E(n) and P(n) and n&lt;3)
 
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Perhaps I'm under-thinking this: 2.

It doesn't convey all the information of the original, but any sentence that does will evaluate to 2. And most will reduce to 2 as well.
 
cragar said:

Homework Statement


Express the following English sentence as a symbolic statement.
Do not use the there exist symbol
“There is a unique natural number n which is both even and prime.”

We also have properties like
let P(n) be the property that n is prime, L(n, m) the relation that n < m, and E(n) the property that n is even.

The Attempt at a Solution


\forall n (E(n) and P(n) and n&lt;3)

What about first changing the English version into saying what is not true?

I interpret your symbolic statement (attempted solution) to mean: all natural numbers are even, prime and less than 3.
 
cragar said:
"There is ..."
How do you write that in symbols?
 
Would it work to say that n \in \mathbb{N}
n \in \mathbb{N} : (P(n) \&amp; E(n))
 
cragar said:
Would it work to say that n \in \mathbb{N}
n \in \mathbb{N} : (P(n) \&amp; E(n))
No, you must represent "there is" somehow. Are you not aware of a symbol for that?
 
the only symbol I am aware of is there exists \exists but we were told tonot use it in the problem.
Im not sure of a symbol for that
 
cragar said:
the only symbol I am aware of is there exists \exists but we were told tonot use it in the problem.
Im not sure of a symbol for that
Sorry, I overlooked that.
In that case, as others have suggested, you can get around it by making explicit reference to that number. One part of your answer will express that 2 has these properties. What will the rest of your answer state?
 
It seems an obvious approach to me that if you're given a statement "there exists ..." and you're told not to use the ##\exists## symbol, then the first step is to rephrase the statement to avoid the phrase "there exists". That, it seems to me, is logical!

As a start, you could think of a statement like "not all primes are odd". This starts to take you in the right direction, I believe.
 

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