Does Fannie Mae buy already-foreclosed houses?

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The discussion centers around whether Fannie Mae purchases already-foreclosed houses and the mechanics of mortgage guarantees, foreclosure processes, and the roles of various parties involved in these transactions. Participants explore the implications of Fannie Mae's involvement in foreclosures, the definition of foreclosure, and the legal nuances surrounding these processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that Fannie Mae takes possession of properties through the mortgage servicer when it guarantees a mortgage and pays the foreclosing mortgagee.
  • Others argue that Fannie Mae does not directly take possession, as the mortgage servicer manages the foreclosure process on its behalf.
  • A participant questions the definition of foreclosure, noting that different jurisdictions have varying laws and procedures that affect when a property is considered foreclosed.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of a property being sold at auction and whether that constitutes foreclosure or not, with some asserting that foreclosure only occurs if the mortgagee takes possession due to no winning bid.
  • Some participants highlight that the terms of the mortgage and guarantee influence whether the guarantor can take possession before or after foreclosure.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the terminology used in foreclosure processes, including the roles of the mortgagee and mortgagor, and the concept of equity of redemption.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on Fannie Mae's role in the foreclosure process, with no consensus reached on whether it directly purchases foreclosed properties or merely takes possession through servicers. The definition and implications of foreclosure also remain contested, with multiple interpretations presented.

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Participants note that the legal definitions and processes surrounding foreclosure can vary significantly by jurisdiction, which complicates the discussion. Additionally, there are unresolved questions about the specific conditions under which Fannie Mae may take possession of properties.

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According to the web https://www.investopedia.com/articl...nnie-mae-what-it-does-and-how-it-operates.asp the (USA) Federal National Mortgage association purchases mortgages. In looking at histories of homes in online county government records and newspapers, one sees properties foreclosed and then deeded to mortgage companies. Then one sees the mortgage company deed the property to Fannie Mae in return for "for valuable consideration".

I understand Fannie Mae taking poession of a property if it owns the mortgage on it. But does Fannie Mae also buy foreclosed properties? Or is this deeding of a property from a mortgage company to Fannie Mae due to the existence of two different liens on the property?
 
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I expect that it is because Fannie Mae has guaranteed the mortgage. When, as guarantor, it pays the foreclosing mortgagee, it is subrogated to the rights of the mortgagee and takes the property.
 
Andrew Mason said:
I expect that it is because Fannie Mae has guaranteed the mortgage

How does a mortage guarantee work in practice?

For example:
Company H issues a mortage for X dollars on property P.
Fannie Mae guarantees it.
The owner of property P fails to make payments.
Company H forecloses the property and property P is auctioned. The winning bidder pays Y dollars for it.

If the winning bidder is citizen C and If Y < X then I suppose Fannie Mae pays Company H the amount X-Y.

What happens if company H decides to enter the auction and is the winning bidder? Does Fannie Mae pay company H the amount X-Y and take possession of the property?
 
Fannie does not actually take possession, the mortgage servicer does. My Fannie mortgage, for example, is currently serviced by Wells Fargo to whom I send the payments. If I stopped paying they would foreclose, sell the house and the proceeds would go to the pool with FNMA making up the difference. Remember that the guarantee by FNMA is on the securitized mortgage backed securities issued against a pool of mortgages. The guarantee is to these bond holders, which reduces the interest rates paid by borrowers as the purchasers of these securities do not have to underwrite the credit risk in the price they are willing to pay for the bonds.
 
Stephen Tashi said:
How does a mortage guarantee work in practice?

For example:
Company H issues a mortage for X dollars on property P.
Fannie Mae guarantees it.
The owner of property P fails to make payments.
Company H forecloses the property and property P is auctioned. The winning bidder pays Y dollars for it.
Foreclosure extinguishes the debt so if there is a foreclosure there is no deficiency. A mortgagee usually has options other than foreclosure. It usually has a power of sale which entitles it to sell the property rather than foreclose. It can then pursue the mortgagor for any resulting deficiency. However, the mortgagee can insist on a reserve bid and that bid may not be met, in which case the foreclosure may result. The guarantor will have a say in this.

In any case, the guarantor can pay the debt and take the security in the property before foreclosure or take title to the property if foreclosure has occurred. It all depends on the terms of the mortgage and guarantee.
 
Andrew Mason said:
However, the mortgagee can insist on a reserve bid and that bid may not be met, in which case the foreclosure may result.

Let me see if I understand the terminoloy. The "mortgagee" is the institution lending to the "mortagaor". What's the definition of "foreclosure"? What I see online is a document called "Notice Of Sale On Forclosure" that announces a "special master" will auction the property in question on a certain date. So if the property is sold at that auction, it (or the mortgagor) is technically not "foreclosed"? Forclosure only happens if the mortgagee takes possession of the propery because there is no winning bid at the auction?
 
Stephen Tashi said:
Let me see if I understand the terminoloy. The "mortgagee" is the institution lending to the "mortagaor". What's the definition of "foreclosure"?
Historically a mortgage transferred title to the mortgagee as security for the debt but the mortgagor always had the right to redeem the property by paying the debt (called the "equity of redemption") even if the mortgage debt was in arrears. In order to put an end to the equity of redemption, the mortgagee had to obtain an order from the court foreclosing the mortgagor's right of redemption. The initial order (called an "order nisi") would give the mortgagor a certain period to redeem the property, failing which the mortgagee could obtain a final order for foreclosure, effectively giving it ownership of the property.

What I see online is a document called "Notice Of Sale On Forclosure" that announces a "special master" will auction the property in question on a certain date. So if the property is sold at that auction, it (or the mortgagor) is technically not "foreclosed"? Forclosure only happens if the mortgagee takes possession of the propery because there is no winning bid at the auction?
Different jurisdictions have different laws and procedures. Generally, the mortgagee has to initiate a court process to realize on the security and this is often done by starting an action for foreclosure in which it may also request a sale of the property and judgment against the mortagor for any deficiency. In some jurisdictions the mortgagee cannot pursue the mortgagor for a deficiency. In that case there will be a foreclosure with no sale and no deficiency. The mortgagor or a second mortgagee may request a sale if the property is likely worth more than the first mortgage debt.
 
BWV said:
Fannie does not actually take possession, the mortgage servicer does.

I've seen documents that deed properties to Fannie Mae, so they do take possession in some cases.
 
Andrew Mason said:
Different jurisdictions have different laws and procedures.

I'm trying to undestand the technical definition of "Foreclosure". For example, when the zillow website calls a property "pre-forclosed", I find (In my locality) a public notice of a suit who object is "to forclose". Next I usually see an announcement that court has ordered a special master to auction the property. When I see this "Notice of Sale on Forclosure", has the property been "foreclosed"? Or is the property not "forclosed" until it is deeded to someone other than the mortgagor?
 
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Stephen Tashi said:
I'm trying to undestand the technical definition of "Foreclosure". For example, when the zillow website calls a property "pre-forclosed", I find (In my locality) a public notice of a suit who object is "to forclose". Next I usually see an announcement that court has ordered a special master to auction the property. When I see this "Notice of Sale on Forclosure", has the property been "foreclosed"? Or is the property not "forclosed" until it is deeded to someone other than the mortgagor?
There is no foreclosure (in the normal sense of foreclosure) if the property is sold under a judicial sale order. If the sale resulted in a deficiency and if the law allows for the mortgagee to obtain judgment for the deficiency against the debtor, the mortgage debt is not extinguished but the debtor may no longer redeem the property. In some jurisdictions that may be called "foreclosure". If the property is sold for more than the debt, the debt is paid and the mortgagor gets the excess. Again not foreclosure in the normal sense but some may refer to it as foreclosure.
 
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BWV said:
The servicer conducts the foreclosure proceedings in Fannie Mae’s name but the agency itself does not participate

https://www.fanniemae.com/content/guide/servicing/e/3.2/09.html

Nevertheless, Fannie Mae can end up owning the property:

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