Insights Does Gravity Gravitate? Part 2 - Comments

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The discussion centers around the nuances of mass definitions in general relativity (GR) and their implications for understanding gravity. Key points include the distinction between different mass integrals, specifically M_0 and M, with M_0 representing a naive mass calculation that fails to account for the non-Euclidean nature of spacetime. Participants clarify that gravity cannot be "switched off," as this violates the laws of physics, and explore how gravitational self-energy affects mass calculations. The conversation also touches on the lack of a gravitational energy tensor in GR and the implications for understanding how gravity interacts with itself. Overall, the discussion emphasizes the complexities of mass in GR and the importance of correcting misconceptions rooted in Newtonian physics.
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This is the Hilbert action, and it's unique (up to a cosmological constant, which is not included here) in being generally covariant and leading to 2nd-order equations of motion. This is so, because ##R## is the only scalar you can build from the pseudometric tensor that is only linear in the 2nd derivative with coefficients containing no derivatives, which means that via partial integration you can show that the action is a functional of a Lagrangian that only depends on the ##g_{\mu \nu}## and its first derivatives.
 
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