Does Hilbert Space Include Constants of Nature Beyond Basic Quantum Information?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of Hilbert Space in quantum mechanics, specifically whether it can encompass constants of nature, such as the fine structure constant, or if it is limited to representing position and momentum information of particles. The conversation explores mathematical perspectives and implications in quantum field theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether Hilbert Space contains constants of nature or if it is restricted to position and momentum information.
  • Others emphasize that Hilbert Space is a complete inner product space, with different quantum mechanics scenarios having distinct Hilbert Spaces.
  • A participant suggests that constants can be treated as operators within Hilbert Space, albeit trivial ones.
  • There is a query about whether measurements of constants, like the mass of an electron, can be modeled as operators on a suitable Hilbert Space.
  • Another participant inquires about the Fock Space in quantum field theory and whether it includes additional operators beyond those in conventional quantum mechanics Hilbert Space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the capabilities of Hilbert Space regarding constants of nature, with no consensus reached on the matter. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of defining what constitutes a Hilbert Space in various quantum scenarios, indicating potential limitations in assumptions about its structure and the nature of operators.

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Does Hilbert Space contain the fine structure constant or store the values of other constants of nature or their information or does it only contain the position, momentum basis information of particles?
 
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jlcd said:
Does Hilbert Space contain the fine structure constant or store the values of other constants of nature or their information or does it only contain the position, momentum basis information of particles?

Coming at this from a mathematical viewpoint, a Hilbert Space is a complete inner product space. See, for example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert_space

In QM the Hilbert Space is often a space of square-integrable complex-valued functions. But, for Spin 1/2 particles, for example. the Hilbert space is good old two-dimensional complex vectors and operators are 2x2 matrices.

I don't really understand why some physics authors talk about "Hilbert Space", as though it were a single entity, given that different QM scenarios have different Hilbert Spaces associated with them.
 
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PeroK said:
Coming at this from a mathematical viewpoint, a Hilbert Space is a complete inner product space. See, for example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert_space

In QM the Hilbert Space is often a space of square-integrable complex-valued functions. But, for Spin 1/2 particles, for example. the Hilbert space is good old two-dimensional complex vectors and operators are 2x2 matrices.

I don't really understand why some physics authors talk about "Hilbert Space", as though it were a single entity, given that different QM scenarios have different Hilbert Spaces associated with them.

The basis in Hilbert space only contain position, momentum, spin, and another two and superposition can only be among them? Can't it contain the value of constants? why can't it?
 
jlcd said:
The basis in Hilbert space only contain position, momentum, spin, and another two and superposition can only be among them? Can't it contain the value of constants? why can't it?

Constants like any other observable is an operator on the the space - but a very trivial one.

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Bill
 
jlcd said:
The basis in Hilbert space only contain position, momentum, spin, and another two and superposition can only be among them? Can't it contain the value of constants? why can't it?

I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you asking whether, say, a measurement of the mass of an electron could be modeled as an operator on a suitable Hilbert Space?
 
Sorta. Does the Fock Space in Quantum Field theory only limited to the creation and annihilation operators of the basic Position, Momentum, Spin, Charges or does it include additional like the values of the constants? What is the additional basis the fock space has that is not contained in the conventional QM hilbert space?
 

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