Does K-40 Capture Electrons With Orbital Angular Momentum?

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The discussion revolves around the electron capture process of K-40 and its implications for the formation of Ar-40 in the Earth's atmosphere. Participants explore the handling of spin and angular momentum during this process, questioning the source of captured electrons and the role of orbital angular momentum.

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  • Some participants note that K-40 captures electrons, contributing to the presence of Ar-40 in the atmosphere, but question the accuracy of stating that the atmosphere is "full" of Ar-40.
  • It is mentioned that about 11% of K-40 decays occur via electron capture, with the process involving electrons bound to nuclei, leading to the formation of Ar-40.
  • One participant suggests that the photon emitted during the decay carries away excess angular momentum, resulting in Ar-40 having spin 0.
  • There is a question about whether K-40 preferentially captures outer electrons with angular momentum, to which one participant argues that such states have a low probability of being near the nucleus.
  • A humorous remark is made regarding the use of K-40 for radioactive dating, suggesting a light-hearted approach to the topic.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of electron capture and the role of angular momentum, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the specifics of electron capture, the handling of spin, and the implications of angular momentum in the process. The discussion does not clarify the assumptions behind the claims made.

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Handling of spin in electron capture
K-40 often captures electrons. This is why Earth atmosphere is full of Ar-40.
Where does K-40 capture electrons from?
The problem is that K-40 has spin 4. Ar-40 has spin 0.
How are the 4 spin units handled?
The spins of the electron and neutrino combine to at most 1. This leaves 3 spin units to handle. How?
By emitting the neutrino with an orbital angular momentum? Or by capturing electron with orbital angular momentum?
Orbital angular momentum is not found in K-shell (it is 1s orbital, no angular momentum). Does K-40 preferentially capture outer electrons which do have angular momentum?
 
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snorkack said:
Summary: Handling of spin in electron capture

K-40 often captures electrons. This is why Earth atmosphere is full of Ar-40.
About 11% of K-40 decays are due to electron capture.
I would not say that the atmosphere is full of Ar-40, that is a bit of an exaggeration.

snorkack said:
Where does K-40 capture electrons from?
From the electons bound to the nuclei, they have a small probability to be located close enough to the nucleus such that the process ##e^- + p \to n + \nu + \gamma## occurs.
Neutron remain in nucleus, Ar-40 is formed.
The photon is not emitted directly, the Ar-40 is formed in an excited state with some non-zero angular momentum. The emission of the photon will carry away that excess angular momentum so that the final state nuclei has spin 0. It is also thanks to this photon that we can use K-40 for radioactive dating (give it a try next valentines day!)
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Does K-40 preferentially capture outer electrons which do have angular momentum?
No, because such electron states have extremely low probability to be near the nuclei.

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Nice picture from: https://www.radioactivity.eu.com/site/pages/Potassium_40.htm
 
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malawi_glenn said:
we can use K-40 for radioactive dating (give it a try next valentines day!)
Har! Har! Har! :rolleyes:
 
ohwilleke said:
Har! Har! Har! :rolleyes:
Oh honey you look radiant!
 

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