Does light accelerate to its speed or is it instant?

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The discussion centers around the nature of light, specifically whether photons accelerate to their speed or if they are always at maximum speed upon creation. Participants explore this question within the context of a vacuum and the implications of photon behavior in relation to electromagnetic fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that photons always move at the speed of light (c) in a vacuum and do not undergo acceleration.
  • Others discuss the nature of photons and their relationship to the electromagnetic field, suggesting that photons are not individual entities prior to measurement.
  • Questions are raised about the definition of a photon and its speed, including whether it can be defined in terms of wave packets or field excitations.
  • Some participants mention the concept of normal modes of the electromagnetic field and how they relate to the speed of photons.
  • There is a discussion about measuring the speed of photons indirectly through detection events, highlighting the complexity of timing and measurement in relation to individual photons.
  • A participant challenges the idea that a single photon can be normalized in space, suggesting that this complicates the original question regarding photon creation and speed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of photons and their speed, with no consensus reached on whether photons accelerate or are always at maximum speed. The definitions and implications of what constitutes a photon remain contested.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in the definitions of photons and their speed, as well as the dependence on measurement techniques and the theoretical framework used to describe them. Unresolved questions about the nature of light and its behavior in various contexts persist.

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Someone actually asked me an interesting question. Does light accelerate to its top speed or is its acceleration at 0 and is always at the top speed. Please assume we are in a vacuum, and you slam two protons together to release light, does that light start of at max speed or does it accelerate to top speed? Is there such a thing as Planck Acceleration?
 
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Photons always move at Speed c in a vacuum... there is no acceleration. Newton's law doesn't do well solving for a if m=0

a=F/m
 
I'll second that - photons are created traveling at c.
 
First of all, the quantized EM field is not constituent of individual systems, photons, although we do measure them as such they do not exist as such prior to our measurement in the interim.

To picture a photon you have to understand the field excitation process that results in a quantized version of it, and when you understand this (which I don't completely) then apparently you can envision how it is always at light speed.
 
To be honest, AFAIK there is no clear definition of a "photon" anyway, nor of its "speed". Is it any state of the photon field with number operator eigenvalue 1?
Is it an excitation with a definite wavelength?
If you have a wavepacket, where and how exactly would you measure its group velocity?
 
AFAIK there is no clear definition of a "photon" anyway, nor of its "speed".
:eek: Resolve the electromagnetic field into normal modes. A photon represents the first excited state of one of those normal modes. The normal modes aren't unique, you're free to choose to use any set you like. Mosttimes we use the plane waves, which possesses a well-defined wave vector k, and they clearly travel at speed c.

Another common choice is the set of angular momentum states wrt a particular origin. Nuclear gamma decay is usually expressed as the emission of a photon which is E1, M2, etc according to its L and J values. These states don't have a unique wave vector, they are linear superpositions of such.

In any case photons in free space obey the wave equation and have speed c in that sense.
 
What Bill_K said. We need to have a clear definition of what "photon" means if we are to be able to say we have detected them.

Thus, what a photon is and how fast it goes can be established experimentally.
For instance, you can measure the speed of a particle in a pulse by timing between two detection events at different places.
What I think you mean is that we don't time a particular photon so what we get at the finish-line detector are different photons from the start-line photons.
We have to find the speed indirectly. Would that be correct?
 
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If this is your definition of a photon, first of all a single photon is not normalisable in space and the speed would be the phase velocity, not the group velocity.
This does not fit the original question, I think, because there it is assumed that the photon is created somewhere in space (implying that it is a wave packet).
 

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