How does a wave collapse not violate the speed of light?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of wave function collapse in quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of the double-slit experiment and its implications for the speed of light. Participants explore the nature of wave function collapse and whether it implies superluminal effects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the wave collapse in the double-slit experiment occurs faster than the speed of light, suggesting that the wave front could hit multiple points on a detector simultaneously.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the interpretation of wave function collapse varies depending on the quantum mechanics interpretation adopted, indicating that discussions about interpretations belong in a different forum.
  • It is noted that the minimal mathematics of quantum mechanics does not assert that wave function collapse is a physical process, but rather a mathematical tool used for predictions after a measurement.
  • A clarification is provided that the "minimal math of QM" refers to the von Neumann projection postulate, which is part of the rules of quantum mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of wave function collapse and its implications, with no consensus reached regarding whether it implies anything traveling faster than light.

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The discussion is limited by the participants' varying interpretations of wave function collapse and the implications of quantum mechanics, which remain unresolved within the thread.

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If you want to detect a particle in the 2 slit experiment on a detector. And we state that the electron is traveling as a wave so there is a wave front...that must mean that the wave front hits the detector at the same time in more than one place where there is constructive interference.

But since we detect a single point on the detector, would this mean the wave collapses faster than the speed of light, or even perhaps before it hits the detector entirely, i don't fully understand that part...Otherwise, why doesn't the detector detect the particle's wave front in a multitude of places at the same time, or perhaps it does and then that information is undone once the particle has collapsed to what ever location was ultimately picked ?

I don't actually study this topic in great detail i just mostly read as an observer so i am probably missing a lot of info here but it seems like the wave collapse would have to be instant which violates the speed of light? Am i thinking correctly here?
 
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@TheCelt,

How wave function collapse is handled depends on which interpretation of QM you adopt. Discussions of QM interpretations belong in the QM interpretations forum, not this one.

As far as the minimal math of QM that is needed to make predictions, that math makes no claim about whether wave function collapse is a real physical process or not; as far as the minimal math is concerned, wave function collapse is just a mathematical procedure that is used to make predictions after a measurement has been made and the result is known. That does not imply any claims about anything traveling faster than light.
 
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PeterDonis said:
As far as the minimal math of QM that is needed to make predictions, that math makes no claim about whether wave function collapse is a real physical process or not; as far as the minimal math is concerned, wave function collapse is just a mathematical procedure that is used to make predictions after a measurement has been made and the result is known. That does not imply any claims about anything traveling faster than light.

For clarity, the "minimal math of QM" is described in this Insights article:

https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/the-7-basic-rules-of-quantum-mechanics/

"Wave function collapse" as far as the minimal math is concerned is rule 7, also called the von Neumann projection postulate.
 
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Moderator's note: An off topic subthread arguing about what "collapse" means has been deleted. The meaning of "collapse" for purposes of this thread, and for purposes of this forum in general (as opposed to the QM interpretations forum, where the handling of "collapse" in various interpretations can be discussed), is as given in the previous post (now post #3 after the deletions).

The OP question has been answered and this thread is closed.
 

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