Does Light Curving Around the Sun Prove It Has Weight?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of light curving around the sun and whether this phenomenon provides evidence for the sun having weight. Participants explore the implications of light's interaction with gravity, particularly in the context of general relativity and the nature of mass associated with light.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that light from a star behind the sun can be seen due to the light curving around the sun, suggesting a relationship between light and gravity.
  • One participant claims that light possesses inertial mass, active gravitational mass, and passive gravitational mass, which allows it to be affected by gravity.
  • Another participant references Feynman's lectures to support the idea that light, having energy, is influenced by gravitational fields, implying it has a form of mass.
  • A participant questions the use of the term "behind" in the context of curved spacetime, indicating potential confusion in the terminology.
  • Humor is introduced by a participant commenting on the curvature of spacetime in relation to observers, suggesting a playful take on the complexity of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of light's interaction with gravity and the implications of this interaction for understanding mass. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of discussing light and gravity in curved spacetime, indicating that terminology may lead to confusion. There are also references to specific interpretations of mass in relation to energy, which may depend on the definitions used.

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Ok, I know this topic has been discussed before..

I just recently found out that we can see the light from a star that is BEHIND the sun (from where the Earth stands) because the light of the star is repeling the Earth's gravity which causes the light tocurve around the sun which is why we can see it...
 
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myswhatevr said:
Ok, I know this topic has been discussed before..

I just recently found out that we can see the light from a star that is BEHIND the sun (from where the Earth stands) because the light of the star is repeling the Earth's gravity which causes the light tocurve around the sun which is why we can see it...
Yes. Light has both inertial mass (since light carries momentum) , active gravitational mass (since light can generate a gravitational field and passive gravitational mass (since light is affected by a gravitational field.

Feynman discusses this in his lectures, i.e. he explains that since light has energy and energy gas mass that light is affected by gravity. I.e. From "The Feynman Lectures on Physics," Vol -I page 7-11 - Section entitled Gravitation and Relativity
One feature of this new law is quite easy to understand is this: In Einstein relativity theory, anything which has energy has mass -- mass in the sense that it is attracted gravitationaly. Even light, which has energy, has a "mass". When a light beam, which has energy in it, comes past the sun there is attraction on it by the sun.
See also
https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=65079&postcount=1

Pete
 
myswhatevr said:
I just recently found out that we can see the light from a star that is BEHIND the sun
It is very confusing to use words like "behind" in curved spacetimes.
 
Yes … some observers' behinds are more curved than others. :smile:
 

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